The Crystal Ball

[furbs]

Well i see it differently...in fact there is such a huge difference between CLOD and its developers and ROF and jason.

I brought ROF right at the start and have supported it through the hard times and never felt let down or aggrieved, ive never posted anything negative on the ROF forums even when ROF was in its early days and was having problems...why?

Because they have always been up front and honest about the games problems and have ALWAYS posted info, updates and blogs telling us what they are working on, a rough idea when the next patch will be out and if they are slipping they tell you why..they have always had a road map and a long term plan.

If they say they going to do something...THEY DO IT.

But most of all they FIX things and they stay fixed.

Each patch that is released has made progress and improved the sim.

ROF works.

[JG52Uther]

Yes RoF works, after two years it is a nice game, with constant paid for DLM, and its still on the edge of going under at any time. Their fanbase is only growing slowly.
If Jason is fed up of people complaining on a forum which is almost 100% positive, how do you think Luthier feels.
I think (hope) Jasons post made people perk up and take notice on the RoF forum, and I mentioned it because what he said is also valid here.
People whinging and whining, and constantly having forum fights here DOES damage these sims, and endanger their future, so don't be surprised if action is taken against people who do it.

[furbs]

Even in the first tough days of ROF they made progress with each patch.
They dont make stuff up.
They told you what is being fixed...and guess what? it got fixed in the patch.
then they moved on to the next problem, and so it went on.

Jason always answers posts even when he doesn't know the answer, if they cant do it yet, that is what Jason tell you.
Ive never felt ive had smoke blown up my pipe with Jason.

The core of ROF works and has always done so.

Today...CLOD still has the same problems it had 8 months ago. the core problems have not been fixed,.

FM
DM
CEM
AI
SOUND(getting better but still many problems)
COOPs
CRASHES

what have they been doing for 8 months?

like i say...a big BIG difference between ROF and Jason and CLOD and luthier.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by furbs

Even in the first tough days of ROF they made progress with each patch.
They dont make stuff up.
They told you what is being fixed...and guess what? it got fixed in the patch.
then they moved on to the next problem, and so it went on.

Jason always answers posts even when he doesn't know the answer, if they cant do it yet, that is what Jason tell you.
Ive never felt ive had smoke blown up my pipe with Jason.

The core of ROF works and has always done so.

Today...CLOD still has the same problems it had 8 months ago. the core problems have not been fixed,.

FM
DM
CEM
AI
SOUND(getting better but still many problems)
COOPs
CRASHES

what have they been doing for 8 months?

like i say...a big BIG difference between ROF and Jason and CLOD and luthier.

Jason wasn't onboard until approximately nine months after the release of RoF.

[David Hayward]

furbs, the reason you're not whining on the RoF forum is because Jason would ban you in about 2 seconds. He doesn't put up with any of the BS that is posted in here.

[furbs]

Thats your opinion David, your wrong but your welcome to it. Thats truly how i feel about ROF and CLOD.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by furbs

Thats your opinion David, your wrong but your welcome to it. Thats truly how i feel about ROF and CLOD.

It's not my opinion. I am in that forum a lot. You would be banned in about 2 seconds for the sort of stuff you do in here. That is a fact.

[furbs]

Ok...last ever reply to you David.

What ever...

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Jason would ban you in about 2 seconds. He doesn't put up with any of the BS that is posted in here.

True. I remember a newcomer posted emotional complain on performance or SLI. Jason replied mentioning also something like that a complain without posting system specs can be considered as trolling.

There needs to be people who are prepared to diagnose accurately and without malice about any given situation. That is why Furbs and many others post as they do. It doesn't mean you have to be pompous or high and mighty, just cut through the crescendo about how good things are.

The one that makes me question reality is this old trope: you will endanger future endeavors if you don't be quiet. Which is similar to being told that all mathematics is in trouble if we can't agree to 2 + 2 = 5.

Attempts to stop this by complaining about the tone of the criticism (lack of respect etc) or characterising it all as a single whinge generally only rebound on those that do it. The game itself, and the state of it, will have a habit of throwing up new critics, despite how often the critics are routinely removed, baited, whatever.

It's a fairly simple and fundamental point.

The defenders-of-the-faith do more harm in helping 'their own' game, than good, in reality. I'm beginning to think they do more harm than the more extreme critics. It is one of the ironies of the situation, and must be mildly frustrating to those who take the uber-fans' viewpoint seriously (I do not take them seriously) . It is like arguing Copernican values. You can do it, and you can ban contrary views from various forums...but what a waste of energy, and how silly, ultimately.

Much of the criticism is based on really obvious, simple points. A whole lot more is getting people to see these points, which they can;t do if they're busy trying to gun all criticism down.

Ben