1C and Ubisoft Announce IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Could also mean the battle of Barking Creek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barking_Creek



I really hope something like that's not going to be a regular occurrence.

This doesn't have much to do with renagades. From my understanding, 'The Battle of Barking Creek' was caused by a systems error on the radar causing the ground controllers to vectored to the Spitfire squadron to the vacinity of a squadron of Hurricanes, The relative inexperience of the pilots involved and not having a positive identification of the targets.

Later in the war I guess they would have refered to the situation as FUBAR.

It did however give the RAF reason to analyse what went wrong and try their best to work out how to avoid a similar thing happening in the future.

Cheers!

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

This doesn't have much to do with renagades.

Sure.

However it has a lot to do with being bounced by friendlies. I'm just saying that if one mission in ten we get an attempted (AI) friendly fire incident, that would be a horrible thing.

[brando]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Sure.

However it has a lot to do with being bounced by friendlies. I'm just saying that if one mission in ten we get an attempted (AI) friendly fire incident, that would be a horrible thing.

Check any online dictionary for the word "renegade" and you will see that this word has been used in error and doesn't convey any significance.
It may possibly be a horrible mistranslation concerning pilots from Axis-occupied countries who escaped to England to fight on. Poles, Czechs, French, Belgians etc. might possibly have been portrayed as renegades in Nazi propaganda, but otherwise there is little connection.

As far as friendly fire incidents are concerned, the"Battle of Barking Creek" was a horrible accident waiting to happen. Whether it would be modelled as a recurring threat in the game is an interesting question, though I can't see why it should happen. More interesting is whether (and how often) you might make the same mistake yourself?
Identification Friend [or] Foe (IFF) protocols were really tightened up after the aforementioned incident. The universal fitting of IFF beacons was hurriedly completed and everyone from pilots to plotters learnt from the mistake. That's not to say that further accidents didn't happen in the heat of battle - but the incidents were few and far between after Barking Creek.
There's no record of anyone changing their loyalties and turning on their comrades - renegade style.

[brando]

So I pre-ordered the Collectors issue, and I'm looking forward to my souvenir tea-towel and fly-swatter. Hurrah!

B

[ckolonko]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

This doesn't have much to do with renagades. From my understanding, 'The Battle of Barking Creek' was caused by a systems error on the radar causing the ground controllers to vectored to the Spitfire squadron to the vacinity of a squadron of Hurricanes, The relative inexperience of the pilots involved and not having a positive identification of the targets.

Later in the war I guess they would have refered to the situation as FUBAR.

It did however give the RAF reason to analyse what went wrong and try their best to work out how to avoid a similar thing happening in the future.

Cheers!

I also know there were a number of FF incidents during the battle due to fatigue and stress.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by ckolonko

I also know there were a number of FF incidents during the battle due to fatigue and stress.

Friendly fire is one of the tragedies of any form of warfare, Combat situations would have to be caotic and confused. The 'Battle of Barking Creek' was slightly different.

An error in the radar set swapped around the display so that aircraft comming from the west appeared to be comming from the east. The opperators saw a flight of unidentified aircaft that apeared to be comming in from the east (actually a routine RAF Patrol), they scrambled more RAF planes. As they did the number of planes that appeared to be comming in from the east increased, So they scrammbled more RAF fighters. This soon escalated so that it appeared that there was a massive German raid in progress. (Which everyone was expecting any day at this point)

The RAF fighters converged into a small area and one squadron of Spitfires sighted a Flight of Hurricanes in the location that they were expecting to see the Hostiles. They were all eager to get into the Hun and from memory identification was poblematic due to the conditions.

One of the major upshots of the battle was that the RAF expidited the introduction IFF equipment which was a major help to them in the Battle Of Britain.

Regarding the quality of the trailer,

Could it be possible that the leaked release day hastened the UBI press release. There were a number of ommissions in the official announcement, which have since been fixed up. Maybe the Official Trailer had not been completed and the one posted was hastily put together or taken off the shelf?

Cheers!

[vanir]

I'm confused: is this an update to the existing engine like Pacific Fighters was to IL2, ie. updating the game and adding the Cliffs of Dover to it?

Or is this using a different engine as a stand-alone only install? If so is this the final release form of the Storm of War project?

[Romanator21]

I'm confused: is this an update to the existing engine like Pacific Fighters was to IL2, ie. updating the game and adding the Cliffs of Dover to it?

Or is this using a different engine as a stand-alone only install? If so is this the final release form of the Storm of War project?

Thanks to the name Ubi adopted, confusion like this is going to be very common...

IL-2: CoD is going to be a completely new game, new engine, and is stand-alone. It is not an update. It is also completely unrelated to IL-2: WoP.

I think we should make a petition to Ubi to change the name, but it's way too late now I think.

[IbnSolmyr]

Well, pre order is done here

I'm very disappointed to see how many poeples can have a very bad attitude at this crucial moment that we waited for years...

This soft is fantastic, upgrading the level at a never managed one ! How could you stay grouchy as that ??? Some of us, unfortunately, don't deserve such a work !

The others are very confident in the Oleg and his team's work, and know that they always do 10 times better than the better competition... And in more, if you want to REALLY know how will be this soft before buy it, please, LOOK FOR ALL YOU CAN KNOW SINCE YEARS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE ALMOST THE INFORMATIONS ARE IN THIS SITE AND A FEW OTHERS !...

Marvellous day is this release date... can't wait !

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

Thanks to the name Ubi adopted, confusion like this is going to be very common...

IL-2: CoD is going to be a completely new game, new engine, and is stand-alone. It is not an update. It is also completely unrelated to IL-2: WoP.

I think we should make a petition to Ubi to change the name, but it's way too late now I think.

+1..

The best title for this would have been

From the creators of the Award winning IL2 series:
Storm of War:Cliffs of Dover

Who knows.. maybe there was some legal issue with Storm of War.. but then again .. I was under the impression that UBI would not be the publisher of this... so maybe this is just some UBI pencil pusher marketing BS where some jerk behind a desk who has no clue decided that this would be best... name recognition and all...
Regardless.. though and hopefully inspite of UBI .. this sim will take off.. Ihave already preordered my DD.. and I'll probably get the CE too.. but a little later. I just hope that the CP is decent enough to enable 1C to make some bread.. this sim has been in developement for too long for them to loose but so much to piracy..