Orcs on the March thread

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Originally Posted by atlatea

Well, if you have 2 crown of chaos, armageddon is better than black hole.

And armagedon still the most damaging mass target spell without any bonus from items. With items it will do 50% more dmg than black hole, probably more, i forgot about this.

One thing strange about armagedon is it deal astral dmg, but +fire spell dmg increase its dmg. If i remembered right, it is possible to reach more than 10k dmg with your armagedon by wearing necklace of firestorm + other similar items. Very scary if you ask me

Another way to use armagedon is using turn back time, but it is too mana consuming. But if i remembered right, someone actually found the correct items + skills + units to efficiently do armagedon+turn back time combo, i only remember what is the unit though. Yep, as you probably already guessed, it is the green dragons.

Hmm, if you use green dragons, i think it will solve your mana restoring problems.

KB TL armagedon is better i guess, because if i remembered right, when you use armagedon, you gather so much rage, then you can turn back time your green dragon, turn back time in TL is rage spirit ability, it is not too mana consuming as in AP/CW. But then again, there is a possibility that CW can provide 2 crown of chaos.

As for the quest, i give up.

I can check if Armageddon does more damage or not, since I have the scroll on my mage, just never learned it.

The manual does not indicate that the base damage increases with Fiery bonus items, but you are probably increasing the post damage of Armageddon though. Not sure, but I can test this later.

All I know is, with the two Gloves of the Destroyer (+40% damage), 61 intellect via Wanderer Scroll, I dealt over 15000 damage to a stack against Samman using Black Hole. Destruction Level 1. So, I "could" probably deal 18000 damage if i went with Destruction Level 3.

If I raised my base intellect even higher (I didn't go all intellect items), I can probably do even more. Fairly certain my hero already had enough stuff to easily get 61 intellect without the scroll...

I didn't bother since, the black hole does enough damage, and I would hate the post battling and mana management.

However, there are times for absolute damage.

Although, I wonder... Calm Rage and Black Hole against the bosses? Hmmm.

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For initial damage, Armaggedon does a little more damage on the minimum, but Black Hole does more damage on the maximum.

At 51 intellect, two Gloves of the Destroyer, destruction level 3
Black Hole - 5076-8460
Armageddon - 5415-8120

I also added a Fire Bracelet to do a quick test, it did not change Armageddon's initial damage at all. Again, it will probably increase the post effect.

Armageddon's "post-status burn" will probably have it net to MORE damage over time than Black Hole. Black Hole can be used with a full army, Armageddon cannot.

I would definitely say it depends on your preferences in combat.

At about 76 intellect (I used Wanderer Scroll for this), dual Gloves of the Destroyer, Black Hole's maximum damage is 17,100.
Armageddon at 16,415

I can actually get another +4 intellect which would put me at 80 intellect, but I am too lazy to do the battle right now to upgrade to an archmage staff.. It would probably push me into the final breakpoint, giving me another 15%, and yet another 5*4=20%, so 35% more.

I hypothesize
17,100 *1.35 = 23,085 damage on the top end at 80 intellect, dual gloves of the destroyer.

All of a sudden, it might be possible to destroy Baal with Black Hole.... HMMMMM.