More severe moderation in update threads?

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Well, 48 hours after I made this thread the percentage of people expressing their wish for more moderation was already at 74%. That is a large majority, and ever since it has stayed at around 70%. It can't be made any clearer that many people are frustrated with the way most update threads turn. It took another update thread going down the drain for the mods to realize the issue was real and serious for many here. I am happy they take actions now.

Having been moderator and admin on other forums in the past I would recommend first and forall that mods make themselves easier to indentify. There should be something in their avatar or signature. Personally I just know Nearmiss for example. If there is another one I have failed to recognize him/her. That is already a problem.

Second, people should be warned progressively and clearly visible in their own posts with fat red moderator letters if needed. Then, in steps, 3 days "in the box", 1 week, one month, and finally permanent ban. Sentences like "that terrain looks like painted by a child with watercolors" for example is enough for a first 3 days in the box. That is my personal opinion.

Third, I think we need more moderators. This forum is very active and fast paced by times.
No way 1-2 mods can make the job which is needed. I think it needs at least 4, better 5, best in different time zones, so there is a chance there is always someone around.

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Third, I think we need more moderators. This forum is very active and fast paced by times.
No way 1-2 mods can make the job which is needed. I think it needs at least 4, better 5, best in different time zones, so there is a chance there is always someone around.

Therein lies the primary problem, IMO. Good idea. I'd nominate Oleg himself if he had the time.

[major_setback]

I always find it ridiculous that aggravating posters aren't banned for several weeks.
I'm sure that no-one really would care if such a small penalty was dealt out.
Ban me if you disagree!! I really couldn't care any less.

I'll be back in a few weeks if I feel like it.

Really; just put a lock on anyone who is getting away from the topic.

Please!

[McHilt]

OT posts are annoying, but one has to be realistic. Everybody posts a couple of OT lines every now and then, like a joke or sth else irrelevant to the actual subject. I have no prob with that at all. Personally I hate all the whining and wishlists, but I also hate posts that could make up a short novel and take 20 mins to plow through, even if they're on topic they're annoying just as well in my humble opinion.

I'd say: stick to the subject, crack an OT joke every now and then, keep it short and simple, stop whining and wishing and enjoy what's given by the great Oleg and team, even if you don't like it...

and yes, real spam = ban

[Rodolphe]

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Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Second, people should be warned progressively and clearly visible in their own posts with fat red moderator letters if needed. Then, in steps, 3 days "in the box", 1 week, one month, and finally permanent ban. Sentences like "that terrain looks like painted by a child with watercolors" for example is enough for a first 3 days in the box. That is my personal opinion.

KOM.Nausicaa, I really like to know what's your personal opinion and your proposal ban for the following typical rude, insulting The Community and most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.

Originally Posted by Nausicaa

Well, I read all that, but I rest my case. It really bla bla, without interest, like "I'm the arrogant French and German is an asshole anyway."

Fuc*k you ... frenchie!

That's it for me - I found this forum really extremely unpleasant arrogant. Very French (so to speak.)

Hello guys bye bye.

http://www.checksix-forums.com/showp...&postcount=980


Edit : Spelling
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[fireflyerz]

lol

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Originally Posted by Rodolphe

...KOM.Nausicaa, I really like to know what's your personal opinion and your proposal ban for the following typical rude, insulting The Community and most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.

Hi, I would like to answer your post in several parts.

First, I would like to say that it is not particularly fairplay to bring a post from a past conversation and from another forum (and a completely different subject) over to here, by quoting only the worst statement. It is clear that there is a reason and conversation history why it came to that post in anger. I do not think, however, that you are interested in analyzing the mechanics of this incident, why it came to the anger and what the individual guilt of the participants (my guilt included) was in that thread.
What you are trying to do is usually called "discrediting", or sometimes "slander":

Originally Posted by Wikipeda

"the expression discrediting tactics (...) refers to personal attacks (...) intended to discourage people from believing in the figure or supporting their cause

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrediting_tactic

Furthermore, you only link to my post (but not the conversation history), while making yourself a even more defavorable translation from french to english of the post. That is called "libel" in english:

Originally Posted by merriam-webster dictionary

(Libel) "a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/libel


Second, you ask the question what a moderator should do with a post like mine on "Checksix". The answer is: a mod is free to warn or ban my account there if he wants to. The particular post you quoted was angry and impolite -- I agree. He would be right doing it in the time and I would support it then and now -- and I have already done myself in a way, because I have not posted a single post on this forum anymore since this conversation 5 months ago. I am self-banned so to speak -- because I have no interest whatsoever left in "Checksix", simply because of the treatment I got on checksix that made me angry in such a way. That leads me to the last point:

You accuse me of racism towards french. I want to make this short, because I really have no interest at all in bringing a fight from another forum 5 months ago to this place and this thread. It is of no concern to you that I speak french fluently since over 20 years, work in France and have a french wife, but I'll say it anyway, because it's an amusing detail.
I thought Checksix was a particular unwelcoming and unpleasant place to a new (foreigner) person like me, tainted by a certain faction that represents a arrogant, rude, excluding and elitist french attitude -- at least in my opinion. That would become much clearer for outsiders if you would translate the whole conversation. But you are completely free to disagree with my view and it may very well be that other people have other experiences. But that was mine, and I said it in an angry way back then and say it now again in a calm way: I haven't changed my opinion about that typical french elitism and rudeness towards foreigners as it exists seemingly on checksix (among a certain faction) one bit. One disclaimer I want to make though: I am totally convinced there are many fine people at Checksix. When the whole unfortunate fighting happened I got 2 pm's by the way supporting me.....both by french members. That is another funny detail.

To end this I would think it being polite to other people here and the subject of this thread to end the conversation about the incident on checksix. What you have done is an unfair attempt at discrediting me with an incident quoted out of context and a shaky "translation", and I have no further desire talking to you. If you still want to clear things up with me, please do so via PM or openly on Checksix if you absolutely feel the urge for public viewing. To be fair to you I'll check Checksix over the week-end to see if you have opened a thread there.

Thanks,

N.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Rodolphe

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most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.

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Wow, you've not been looking very hard then...

Anyway I don't think it's racism, not by a long shot.

It's a european nations thing, I actually think we're probably allowed the odd 'Frenchie' or 'German asshole' they are pretty tame. There's always been a bit of inter-nation rivalry in europe (this is a massive undersatement, we've been killing each other for centuries!) and I much perfer the odd slanging match on a forum to the old way of doing things....


Anyway, remember...

Racism is born of ignorance.
Xenophobia is born of experience...

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Rodolphe just quoted the tiny bit in my answer that suited him. That was expected, and he is now on my ignore list, as I don't expect anything more constructive. He had his chance. If he wants to debate he can do it by the channels I have offered him. Anyway, I am all for coming back to the subject of this thread.

[ATAG_Dutch]

It might be my imagination, but isn't this week's update thread very very quiet?

There're still a few off topic posts, but the whole discussion seems, well, flat.

Plus, the on-topic posts mostly seem to have got the wrong end of the stick re the first two screenshots, and the 'bug' Mr Maddox mentioned.

Interesting.

P.S. I count two bans by nearmiss so far!