Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Zorin

My work has proven its validity and therefor gives no reason to question its suitability for the game.

Your work has proven its validity on a forum where the folks tend to clap to any sh***y looking stuff presented as new MOD. If that's enough for you, that's allright. But if you want to do a proper job, you simply gotta stay within the specs given and it's not too difficult to do it once you've got all the LOD's ready.

[ElAurens]

The DT gentlemen have a very valid point here.

Many of the new, high poly visual effects, particulary explosions and fires, are pretty big frame rate killers. When you have several players online attacking an airfield, for example, the drop in frame rates is totally unacceptable, yet the mostly offliners who make these things have no clue what their pretty explosion effects are doing online, as they never fly there and never check their frame rates.

I realize that for the offline majority of modders and mod players this is not an issue, a stutter or ten is of no consequence, but online it is death.

[Bulgarian]

Vpilots were happy to get anything after so many years. Few are going to be ungrateful enough to criticize publicly.

Protos,don't try to make a point when you're not prepared with the situation,ok?
First I want to point out that I (as some other DT members) were on the both sides of the fence.
Anyhow,I can tell you that 70% of the subjects that are still using mods,are less then 16 year old.I don't have anything against the youngsters (I'm 19),but they don't know what is quality and what isn't,in the game industry.So they're happy with everything they get.

The ungrateful to mods left quickly IL-2 and the gaming at all,just when the mods came up.Why?'Cause they're mature,and respect the official devs.
I don't know about you but as many others (who aren't here now),I'm around this hood for a long time and I can tell you that 80% of the dedicated IL-2 gamers are long gone.Most of them are now playing RO.

...especially when I know you can and are being held back

Please stop these non-senses.Noone is holding DT back!
DT is simply following the tech.specs,created by lots of programmers/coders/3D modelers/3rd party modelers and many other people who worked for years over the IL-2's official development.

Now,Protos,in order to make the said above clear to you,I'll try to generally explain you what official game development term means.

The main idea of the game development is to keep the 3D models with reasonable (meaning to keep the model with as low polygon level as possible,without damaging the model's appearing) amount of polygons,so there will be more physical and memory space for effects,and other cookies.
Take for example Crytek 2 engine.FYI it's the engine,powering Crysis game sequel.Anyhow,even there with that powerful new engine,the team that developed Crysis was still keeping strict laws on the polygon level,otherwise there wouldn't have been those nice big explosions,great graphics,large world,physics and so on,that I bet a lot of people here enjoyed.
I don't think you have noticed that the weapons in crysis were "low poly",right?
All this wouldn't 've been possible if the Crysis team was thinking the same way as some/most of your beloved modders do.
Don't doubt in my words.Many other games (actually all) were created in the same way.The creator of the maps,3D models and textures of HL-2 and the rest of the sequel,was/is a Bulgarian.I personally have spoken to him about this type of things and it is true,believe it or not.

The key to develop a game is the following of strict rules,and not doing whatever you like to.

With thus said,I hope that the problem with the "low poly" jargon is settled up,and that It's not about "poly count",but simply about following the tech specs for the particular game engine.

[13th Hsqn Protos]

Clearly I hit a nerve.

Take a breath my boy and don't take yourself so seriously. Save your strength for the ladies.

** I think you might have been all of 9-10 years old when I started flying this game

[Bulgarian]

Originally Posted by 13th Hsqn Protos

Clearly I hit a nerve.

No..It's just you,your ignorance and your pure arrogance.

[13th Hsqn Protos]

Originally Posted by Bulgarian

No..It's just you,your ignorance and your pure arrogance.

LOL @ your pain

[F19_Klunk]

2 cents...

Beeing a part of the J8A project (not modelling though) I can assure you that hi poly count equal better quality is pure nonsense (balance of course). My dear friend Mr Haddock's work, who is a professional Art Director and head modeller in the gaming industry for some major titles for many many years, on the J8 is evidence enough. I even recall a long vivid conversation with him after the first specs of SOW were presented and his immediate reaction was "Why this high polycount"?
Zorin's work is indeed impressive, not only the actual models but more so all that research to be true to history. I am indeed hoping he will listen to TD team.

Still I can only refer to Haddock's professional insight. Not beeing a modeler (as some others who have commented this issue) I leave this topic for further discussion between those who actually know what they are talking about.

[mkubani]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

2 cents...

Beeing a part of the J8A project (not modelling though) I can assure you that hi poly count equal better quality is pure nonsense (balance of course). My dear friend Mr Haddock's work, who is a professional Art Director and head modeller in the gaming industry for some major titles for many many years, on the J8 is evidence enough.

Klunk, say hello to Daniel. I hope he is doing fine. He was very supportive when we started to model Avia B-534.

[F19_Klunk]

I will, was a long time ago we spoke, he is quite busy with growing family

[Zorin]

You know what, how about you post here exact figures TD wants to see for Ordnance meshes. I will then make you a set of examples. So I highly doubt that anyone will accept a octahedron to represent a ROUND shell these days.