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11-27-2009, 06:24 PM
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@Bearcat
Of course is counter productive this discussion when you find out that ZUTI and others are in TD  ... But was a bit hard to pull that info out. At least for me... I wasn't aware that that was the case. What I knew was the projected atitude Bulgarian and other TD put out apparently just for decieving us all  . If ZUTI is in TD... I can rest asure. His MDS has all the chances to become main stream and will avoid conflict with further patches. P.S. Lets not forget the work of sHr! 
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11-28-2009, 02:17 PM
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Ordnance Drop....
Though I cannot speak for all aircraft, I can for the Japanese of which I imagine most are the same. Regarding external ordnance stores the process works as follows:
1. Via a remote switch (in IJA aircraft seen as a box with varied switches, the Hien next to trim), the circut is energized for one or all external stores solenoids. 2. A button upon the stick is then pressed when ready to drop that store, and the solenoid fires releasing the locking mechnism, causing the ordnance to fall. 3. If only one not both/all stores were selected, then the process could be repeated for the other(s). The primary issue I have with this is, we should NOT have a separate button/switch/control for drop tanks and bombs......The drop mechanism simply drops whatever is there. So I'd like to request the "Fire Weapon 4 (Drop Bombs) & Drop External Tanks" controls be combined The second issue may be too complex for the sim.....That being as described above either or all stores could be dropped (normally if only one the side that would counter torque would be second). So, I'd like to request that either one side at a time be dropped rather then both........OR........ that it could be made selectable (utilizing the unused button from above) In other words, if you wish to drop store 1 you hit "fire weapon 4", then Weapon 5 for the next, 6,7,8....Whatever, and naturally a "Drop All External Stores" button. Thanks for your consideration. K2
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#5
12-09-2009, 06:40 PM
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http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/ins...haltkasten.htm The ASK 190 as found in the FW-190F series is *very* interesting.  You can put the center switch to the left which drops all *selected* ordnance at once. The selection can be done by pressing the 8 buttons. The upper ones are for wing stations (so each of the 4 SC50 you have can be selected separately), the lower ones are for the fuselage rack, also 4 for the case you've got that 4x SC/SD 50/70 /AB24t loadout. When the center switch is set to the right, you can do the Reihenabwurf, which means it will drop the bombs one after another. Again you have to select which ones like above, but there's also a second switch to the right. Up position is automatic, which probably will release them with a single trigger press and the lower position is Einzel, which supposedly drops them one-by one either when the trigger is held or pressed multiple times (rather the latter one, but I don't just know it). There are other devices that could be modelled as well, like the ZSK 244 which is used to "program" the bomb fuse. I don't know what it exactly does though, but there should be information availabe.  I'd be glad to have at least a very simple setup in Il-2 to make use of bomb selection, for all planes that had such feature IRL. 1. Select the bomb type if there's a mix in the loadout (e.g. 1 SC500 + 4 SC50), or all together 2. Select the drop count, either 1, pairs or all of the type 3. Select whether they're dropped at once or slightly delayed with a fixed time interval like 50 or 100ms I'd let the really complex modeling of all these switch boxes go in SoW, but this simple setup as suggested above would make Il-2 a lot better for ground attack actions. I'd also like to propose a similar control for the guns, as many planes like the German ones (SKK224 in 109E for example) or the US ones (P-39 has 2 selector switches on the left dashboard for activating wing guns, fuselage guns and hub cannon) had the option IRL. I'd go for a single gun trigger and some selector switches (3 should probably enough for all planes + 4th for external gondolas which Il-2 already has, though it's pretty useless). That all would leave us 2 triggers, one for guns and one for ordnance with the possibility to select which weapons are triggered by them. I know some planes like the Il-2 have a split trigger which is basically 2 triggers (most probably the reason for the current trigger system), but selecting a gun setup and then firing would also simulate the press of just one of these. Most planes did not have separate gun triggers, but selection switches. You could also keep the split triggers and model the above suggestions jsut to the planes that had such. Would probably be the best solution. I've also found the loadout sheet I once made out of various sources that were spread around at several Il-2 forums. Would be great if that one could be used and expanded for other planes to be incorporated into further development, especially new bomb types like the AB24t. loadouts.zip While searching the above, I've come across some good research work done on the 109 performances (by wastel). I thought it might be useful, if you don't have it already. bf109analyse.zip Quote:
 . Most bombs look OK already, some could need rework, especially the AB thingies...Quote:
And the second point I don't just think, because I know. And this is the *major* issue with ground objects DM. The only objects where this not applies are ships and of course active (piloted or AI) planes. Their behaviour in terms of damage is extremely simple. Basically, all you have to do is do damage until it reaches 100% and the target is dead. Some have damage resistances in form of armour (tanks and ships), some have target areas that can be taken out separately (guns on ships). But every "destroyable" part (or whole object in most cases) shares the problem. Any damage done is lost - forgotten after a short time. You can try this out with a Ju-87G, shooting T-34s. You need to hit it in a 30° dive at the back 2 or 3 times to kill it. Try hitting just *once* and redo the whole thing. You will do that until you run out of ammo, and apparently without doing any damage. Just because it resets to 0% after each pass. This seriously needs to be fixed, as it would make things a lot more realistic and easier. What If I drop a bomb for example that visually did no damage? Actually it did, but not enough - and it's being resetted. If it wasn't, I could easily finish the targets off even with short bursts of MG17 where I would need some 5-10 MG151/20 hits normally. Last edited by Eldur; 12-09-2009 at 08:54 PM. |
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#6
11-28-2009, 09:47 PM
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#7
11-29-2009, 08:49 PM
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Ok, now I have a request myself.
After having spent a fair amount of time with the loadouts and ordnance models in-game, I can only come to one conclusion: "Chaos" There are tons of weird reuses of meshes that need sorting. The FAB-50 is a 100lb for the US or a 50kg for the Italians. The torpedoes are shared through out nations and mixed on different planes. 75% of all the other ordnance objects are plain wrong in shape, size and positioning on the plane or inside the bomb bay. Please, get this in order. |
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#9
12-01-2009, 02:53 PM
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Hello Zorin,
I can tell you right now that we won't spend time on remodelling the loadouts. I know you have done an extensive work on it and I don't doubt they are historically correct. The problem is (and I have told you this before over PM) that your work is overdone and out of the tech. specs even for SoW engine. If you are willing to reduce the polycount of your models to a more acceptable levelm, we can discuss it further. That's all I can suggest.
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#10
12-01-2009, 04:13 PM
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