Larger maps

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by RPS69

You having this problem with QM, or DGEN?

What does it have to do with QM or DGen?

He's talking about a map design issue, lol.

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by Treetop64

What does it have to do with QM or DGen?

He's talking about a map design issue, lol.

It is not an issue. It is a design compromise.

The original game was designed on a local scenery, tactical situation. Never for a strategic one. Maps were reduced acordingly, specially because of heir impact on 2001 machines.

Later versions inherited this. To change this you need to build the map as you like it, and ask TD to validate it.

Or... you may try some workaround solutions.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by RPS69

The original game was designed on a local scenery, tactical situation. Never for a strategic one. Maps were reduced acordingly, specially because of heir impact on 2001 machines.

Expanding existing maps isn't as easy as it sounds, even if you're just adding "blank" sea areas. I've looked into it and it's almost easier to create a new map of the same territory.

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Expanding existing maps isn't as easy as it sounds, even if you're just adding "blank" sea areas. I've looked into it and it's almost easier to create a new map of the same territory.

I know, that is why is easyer to apply some workarond solutions.

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Expanding existing maps isn't as easy as it sounds, even if you're just adding "blank" sea areas. I've looked into it and it's almost easier to create a new map of the same territory.

Expanding map boundaries or cropping existing maps is fairly easy, as long as you have access to the required map tools. Adding land areas is obviousliy a different matter if it involves extensive re-population.

[badatflyski]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

Expanding map boundaries or cropping existing maps is fairly easy, as long as you have access to the required map tools. Adding land areas is obviousliy a different matter if it involves extensive re-population.

Full repopulation only if you expand to the north or the west.
If you expand the map to the south and east, your original objects stay at their place, you "just" have to populate your "new" landmass.
Got this pb when making the merge of kuban and crimea (work never published, finished at 85%, but looking soo much better than the one that appeared some years ago, without all the objects bugs and all the textures displaced...yeah, i congratulate myself ), to respect the allignment of the 2 land masses, had to add some new terrain to the north on crimea and kuban, and to replace the original objects, i saved several files (large cities, small cities, villages) and done some copy paste with the repositioning in zoom mode) several hours work but it worked.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by badatflyski

Full repopulation only if you expand to the north or the west.
If you expand the map to the south and east, your original objects stay at their place, you "just" have to populate your "new" landmass.

Useful information and very helpful for some maps, like Kyushu or some of the Black Sea maps.

But, unfortunately for the Murmansk map, the areas that need to be added are to the north and west!

[Asheshouse]

Its not too difficult expanding the map north or west, but in addition to the basic graphics work on the *.tga files it is necessary to "shift" the coordinates of all the existing objects and bridges to suit the location of the new map origin. Any new land area created will still need to have objects added to populate it.

A good start point is to read the stuff here http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/board,121.0.html

and especially here http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.ph...c,33463.0.html

There is an Actors Cut and Shift tool, which as its says, is used to shift the coordinates of objects or to crop down object sets, if say a map is reduced in size.