Luthier Update Clarification Please

[addman]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

Wrong, that was me before the release of CloD, high expectations -rightly so- and big letdowns. I didn't say that I'd never buy a MG offering again, I simply meant that I will wait until the verdict is out this time around, if it's in shambles like CloD was at release then no, I will not "touch" it. I'm sure the Moscow sequel will be in a much better state though considering the improvements that has been made with CloD.

[proton45]

Originally Posted by addman

Wrong, that was me before the release of CloD, high expectations -rightly so- and big letdowns. I didn't say that I'd never buy a MG offering again, I simply meant that I will wait until the verdict is out this time around, if it's in shambles like CloD was at release then no, I will not "touch" it. I'm sure the Moscow sequel will be in a much better state though considering the improvements that has been made with CloD.

Your mistake was having "high expectations", to begin with...and I don't mean that in a negative sense. I'm a BIG fan of the "IL2 Sturmovik" series, but I don't fantasize, dream and place high expectations on the final product. What these guys have done is really quite interesting...its not perfect (by any measure of the word), but what they have accomplished (post patches, ect) is looking quite good.

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

I'm just curious...what aspect of the game fails to "immerse" you in the Battle Of Britain? I'm assuming that you are not talking about the "clouds", or "AI" because these are aspects of the game that will always be improved and updated (just like they always did). I don't know if people remember the original "IL2" series, but it was always a work in progress...right up to the very end. Nothing new...

Originally Posted by proton45

Your mistake was having "high expectations", to begin with...and I don't mean that in a negative sense. I'm a BIG fan of the "IL2 Sturmovik" series, but I don't fantasize, dream and place high expectations on the final product. What these guys have done is really quite interesting...its not perfect (by any measure of the word), but what they have accomplished (post patches, ect) is looking quite good

lol, this made me laugh "your mistake"

The high expectations came from all the BS that Oleg and Luthier were constantly spouting pre-release, only a few of us saw through it, you unfortunately were one of those that didn't.

[Dano]

Some of us were far too trusting, and why shouldn't we have been? it was after all Oleg and he did deliver on IL2. Sadly, that trust is now damaged badly and it'll take a great deal of work before I'll believe anything that I don't actually have access to myself from now on.

Somedays I wish I was as mistrusting as Tree clearly was, but that's just not in my nature.

Given the way sequels worked with the IL2 series I'd trust them to deliver something that can be integrated with what we have, given the way we were and continue to be treated I'm not holding my breath for that to happen...

Originally Posted by Dano

Somedays I wish I was as mistrusting as Tree clearly was, but that's just not in my nature.

Please. Tree pre-ordered the game. And he'll probably pre-order the sequel.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

Please. Tree pre-ordered the game. And he'll probably pre-order the sequel.

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom.

+1

Despite its many faults, CoD has been the best 50 bucks I've spent in a long time. Have enjoyed many hours flying the ATAG server with you guys, and using Teamspeak to greatly enhance the experience (including joking how similar Snapper, Sniper, Striker, etc. sound in the heat of a dogfight).

When I think of the money I've blown on bad hardware AND software over the years.........50 lousy bucks is NUTHIN'!!!!!!!

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom.

Hmmm, I agree with you on the $50 issue, however there was a huge amount of speculation on the game, underpinned by gloriously extravagent (and largely wrong) statements from Oleg on what the game would be like on release. I believe the community is largely self-destructive in its ability to get worked up over minor issues (as you suggest towards), however Oleg's statements can't be ignored. IMHO, many of us were duped into believing the game would be something it wasn't on release. The most tangible example were the release videos: filmed at 1/8 speed and aimed at showing a 'playable game'. Yes, it showed the game was playable, but we weren't aware the game was running at 1/8 speed for it to be playable at that stage. This is the most palpable, and upsetting, part of the process. The fact that the release was a mess, and the situation was sugar-coated and offered with a virtual cherry on top. We weren't to know that the cherry was off-date, and the sugar extremely thin.

I agree that there is more to life, but this forum is a vehicle for consumer issues (expressed openly), which is why there will be a lot of opposition and anger over the playablity of the game. It has improved considerably, and hopefully will continue to do so (despite the patches being rather reactionary, IMHO, in terms of certain graphical features) and I don't think there's anything healthy about dwelling on the issues and opinions of other users on the game. It's interesting to debate, but at the end of the day: one man's meat is another man's poison. People will always have different opinions on the game, and different experiences.
For instance, I believe that the minimum specs are aimed at showing the lowest-spec machine for which the game is able to run playably on at lowest settings. For some/(many?) with the lowest spec machine, this is impossible, as a large number have shown on these forums. Others may believe the specs are ridiculous to go by. As I say; different opinions, different experiences.

Have a nice friday

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Ah I see we have a IL-2 cherry in our midst

What you going on about you fool?

Prom? prom dress?... If it bothers you that much go away, people can bitch, moan, kick up, stress as mush as they like regardless of cost..get yer head out yer a$$

Judging by your reply to my last post you obviously have no clue what your going on about do you 'Ace'?

Again..a lil clue, SOOOOO this game has the right to print what it likes on the back of its cover because it has a 'future proof engine'?

I think your find that every other vid game's 'recommended' spec's will allow the user to play the game on settings more than f-kin MED!

You go on about and bash the whiners here... Please dont insult mine and everyone elses intelligence by saying the game was fine on release but 'we' should of had better hardware to play it on!

P.S Im more than aware of IL2 and what it was like on its release..and Yes it happened then too but 'that' does not warrant it happening again or justify it..

f*k me, you actually sound like your saying there were no bugs, nothing wrong with the code, nothing wrong with the engine and it all comes down to hardware and that we should of known that 'recommended' means MED-HIGH end rigs can only play this game on LOW-MED settings

tool

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom.

its not about teh money you hypnotised die hard fan....