Friday update and discussions 2011-03-18

[Heliocon]

For the love of god... FIRST
Quote:
"Originally Posted by choctaw111
By design, the game will be able to take advantage of the latest technology for years to come...so if you have a current rig, the sim will always look great.
Tree, if you have said some things to praise Oleg's newest creation, I haven't seen it.
If you like Cliffs of Dover so much, why are you so negative?
I have said from the beginning that Oleg will surpass my wildest imagination and from what I have seen over the years I seem to be spot on.
This is only gaging from the short video cliffs and numerous photos.
I can't imagine what goodies are in store once we have an opportunity to mess around with it. "

This post from choc was against tree, I responded to this post or more specifically this statement: "By design, the game will take advantage of the latest technology for years to come" I said upon release that is NOT true, because the latest tech is dx11 which is not in the release version.

In reply I posted:
"Its a lie, it is not able to take advantage of the latest tech OR EVEN CURRENT TECH. Why? Because DX11 has been available for coming up to two years now and its not ingame (and devs would of known about it/be able to get info before the general public). Now I am not saying that they wont add it in (which they said they are going to do), but if you run it dx9 thats very dated, dx10 is also getting long in the tooth.

Point is on release the game's engine will be antiquated upon release, it may look good, but its foolish to call (and a lie) to say it will be able to harness all the tools for years to come since it cant even use hardware and software from coming up to two years ago!"

While that may of been alittle strong, its the truth, and I picked the word antiquated specifically because of the statement that the game will take advantage of all the newest hardware and software (which it wont).

Seriously this boards nuts, WHEN did I EVER say that there was another flight sim better or comparable to COD? I never said that, but because people on this board are to lazy to actually read they would know what I was arguing about in the first place before people dragged the discussion down by saying I was whinning because of no DX11. I was not doing anything of the sort, I was just saying that it did NOT use the most modern hardware and software. So when you say I am whinning about lack of dx11 on release date - that is wrong.


@Black - this is what you said "...to which you respond with "don't be an idiot making assumptions". Then, someone comes along and corrects the data you based your assessment of our supposed idiocy on, a correction which you accepted. Ergo, self-contradiction comedy.
Do yourself and all of us a favor favor, press the "preview post" once in a while and read what you are about to post before actually submitting it, it will help make you a more likeable person overall"

Actually if you had botherd to read, he never posted his original source, and infact said that current market share was only 5% or less, without sighting a source. He was completely wrong, as he himself pointed out and upon repost he posted up the 17% number and where he got it from, which was correct. If you are going to make a statement you need to be able to back it up and not just fling mud without actually making a counter argument/thesis etc. As you noticed I posted a number and said where it came from, and included a link, something many on this forum fail to do.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

For the love of god... FIRST
Quote:
"Originally Posted by choctaw111
By design, the game will be able to take advantage of the latest technology for years to come...so if you have a current rig, the sim will always look great.
Tree, if you have said some things to praise Oleg's newest creation, I haven't seen it.
If you like Cliffs of Dover so much, why are you so negative?
I have said from the beginning that Oleg will surpass my wildest imagination and from what I have seen over the years I seem to be spot on.
This is only gaging from the short video cliffs and numerous photos.
I can't imagine what goodies are in store once we have an opportunity to mess around with it. "

This post from choc was against tree, I responded to this post or more specifically this statement: "By design, the game will take advantage of the latest technology for years to come" I said upon release that is NOT true, because the latest tech is dx11 which is not in the release version.

In reply I posted:
"Its a lie, it is not able to take advantage of the latest tech OR EVEN CURRENT TECH. Why? Because DX11 has been available for coming up to two years now and its not ingame (and devs would of known about it/be able to get info before the general public). Now I am not saying that they wont add it in (which they said they are going to do), but if you run it dx9 thats very dated, dx10 is also getting long in the tooth.

Point is on release the game's engine will be antiquated upon release, it may look good, but its foolish to call (and a lie) to say it will be able to harness all the tools for years to come since it cant even use hardware and software from coming up to two years ago!"

While that may of been alittle strong, its the truth, and I picked the word antiquated specifically because of the statement that the game will take advantage of all the newest hardware and software (which it wont).

Seriously this boards nuts, WHEN did I EVER say that there was another flight sim better or comparable to COD? I never said that, but because people on this board are to lazy to actually read they would know what I was arguing about in the first place before people dragged the discussion down by saying I was whinning because of no DX11. I was not doing anything of the sort, I was just saying that it did NOT use the most modern hardware and software. So when you say I am whinning about lack of dx11 on release date - that is wrong.

Dont waste your time then, heh?

[David Hayward]

Apparently CoD will be the best antiquated WW2 flight sim available. Thanks for that insight.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Apparently CoD will be the best antiquated WW2 flight sim available. Thanks for that insight.

You take the retard cake.

@Chivas- "General insults, LMFAO, you should try reading your own posts. While your at it try using sound reasoning and evidence before you declare COD antiquated for years to come. I'd say you have a 5% chance of being right."
- I never said that, but as usual all you do in your posts is make bs up out of thin air, and when you are proven wrong you dissapear/stop posting. But as usual you decided to be a idiot and respond to a statement I never made (in fact I said that once they release the dx11 stuff in the future it will really give the engine a good life span).

@Bergen- "With some peoples reasoning in here and other "expert" sites its entirely Olegs fault we cant run DX11 when using windows XP. Its Olegs job to FIX it or this game will be/allredy is a bust.

Several known games has left DX11 for now because its unstable, the ones using it is dam near unplayable (Metro 2033 anyone) Does that change anything? No, its still Olegs and teams fault for releasing an outdated product.

Dont u know."
No the problem is in 1. The wording and message that the dev team has presented that conflicts with reality. and 2. That people in here were making statements that were off base with reality. Also Metro was made for consoles and dx11 was tacked on, thats why its a performance hog, but its not "damn near unplayable".

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

You take the retard cake.

@Chivas- "General insults, LMFAO, you should try reading your own posts. While your at it try using sound reasoning and evidence before you declare COD antiquated for years to come. ."
.

If people actually took the time to do this we wouldnt have all these religous wackos either. And we might actually have a planet without jihads and crusades....oh well I guess I can dream..

[Insuber]

Hey you,

Hypercritics, if you are here I assume that you are interested in prop flight sims, as I am.
So, have you considered the alternatives to ClOD, if you look today for a good WWII flight sim? Zero. Nothing. Nada. No market = no investments. Only a huge passion could produce Il2 then, and CloD now.

A "thank you" to Oleg and team could be added here and there to your deluge of criticism, I think.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

I never said it wasnt going to be. But you would know that if you could read....

And that's where I stopped paying attention. Heliocon, you've got to be one of the rudest posters I have seen round here.
dx11 will make the game look better, but with a significant performance hit. You think fully implemented tesselation effects wouldn't reduce th gwme to a slideshow on 95% of people's rigs? This market share you talk of is deceptive. It may be around 30% for people with dx11 capable cards, but how many run games well, hell, how many games actually use it? Quality of frame rates and number of titles would be a better indicator of market share.

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I haven't missed the point. He thinks that not implementing DX11 will make CoD so soul-crushingly disappointing that it will reach back in time and also make IL-2 less enjoyable to play. Am I close?

Lol

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Apparently CoD will be the best antiquated WW2 flight sim available. Thanks for that insight.

And lol again

Originally Posted by sallee

Do you know, I'm a 47 year old solicitor. I've got three children. I've been fascinated by aviation since I was about 5 years old. It may be even longer because I think one of my first memories is of aircraft circling around above me and my father tells me that we stopped in a lay-by to watch what was presumably the filming of the film "Battle of Britain". I read about aircraft, a lot.
I've played just about every flight sim you can name. When I was a child the closest we came to a flight sim was chasing each other on our bikes.
IL2 was an absolute miracle to me. The images, the pink sunset moving across the instrument panel, all amazing and miles ahead of the "opposition".
In the last year or so, I've been playing Rise of Flight which is as amazing to me as IL2 when it first came out. I've flown PA28s, Chipmunks, a Jodel Robin, a Harvard and Tiger Moths. Any of the people involved in serious flight sims I hold in the highest regard. They'll never make a fortune out of it. The enthusiasm and love of flight which is palpable in the teams which have created Rise of Flight and the IL2 series is a cause of genuine rejoicing to me. I'm not naive and I'm not a simpleton. I'm as critical as the next man. My reaction to this stuff is visceral, it eirher convinces or it doesn't.
Now, what is it that makes some of the negativity here so distasteful? It's not because I want to marry Oleg. It's because someone has devoted his life and huge amounts of effort and (who knows?) has struggled to persuade people, like his publishers, of the commercial viability of flight sims because of a real love for what he does. I've got a reason to admire him and his team. A real reason, not a blind stupidity and I can do without people telling me not to have that admiration or why I should not have it. This stuff is pure gold. It's amazing it exists at all. My critical faculty is impressed and overawed by it.

I think the videos are amazing. Some things are not perfect, but, good grief, this is as near as it gets.

Excellent post

Originally Posted by Insuber

Hey you, hypercritics, I assume that if you are here you are interested in prop flight sims, like me. So, have you considered the alternatives to ClOD, if you look today for a good WWII flight sim? Zero. Nothing. Nada. No market = no investments. Only a huge passion could produce Il2 then, and CloD now.

A "thank you" to Oleg and team could be added here and there to your deluge of criticism, I think.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

Concur!

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

If people actually took the time to do this we wouldnt have all these religous wackos either. And we might actually have a planet without jihads and crusades....oh well I guess I can dream..

It really pisses me off when you religious zealots (and by that I mean Atheists) get to insult people of faith all you want but when we push back the thread gets locked because we're talking about "religion". Well you have more faith in your bogus religion than I do in mine so I guess you win in the religion game. Try staying on topic for five minutes.

[Ploughman]

Originally Posted by BadAim

It really pisses me off when you religious zealots (and by that I mean Atheists)

Well that really nibbles the cookie that one.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Apparently CoD will be the best antiquated WW2 flight sim available. Thanks for that insight.

And as everything around WW2 is more or less antiquated by now it fit's the genre like a glove. It should actually run on a punch card mainframe that prints the cockpit view on a silk cloth once a day to keep it real.

But have to give it to Helicon that he's got the most rant and 'I prove you wrong' energy on these forums I've seen for a good while. A lot of the old geezers here have numbed down during the long wait due to their senior medication and don't have the edge and testosterone levels for a good 'in your face' fight like that.

Keep at it! You'll prove everyone else wrong sooner or later.