Ethics of pilots fighting for the sides in WWII

[SEE]

I never mentioned the USA nor did I advocate the use of terrorism in my post. I have poltical views but I don't believe forums are for discussing complex political issues. However, what I will say is that 'terrorist' acts are, and will continue to be carried out, in the absence of a 'conventional' military option or a recognised political platform.

We are told to be worried of a new and equally subversive 'terrorist' threat - 'Cyber Terrorism'! Iran, China, the USA, WIKI Leaks, etc, either engaging in or being victims.

So, who are these terrorists? Who are they attacking and why?
Simple questions but answering them is riddled with complexities brought about by the lies, popular misconceptions and political agendas of all involved.

You have to address the 'causes' that radicalise people and not confuse poltical agenda's with the basic instincts of self determination and its this idea that you cannot change or destroy. Rightly or wrongly, the current state of affairs in Palestine, the wests involvement in the Middle East has radicalised many Muslims - that is the point I am making and most accept that point of view.

Poltical agenda's are fluid and complex- the Taliban along with the Mujahadeen were given arms and miltary support when Russia invaded Afghanistan, Saddam HUssein was supported as 'our son of a bitch' when he engaged in war against Iran..........there are two edges to every sword and which edge you consider the most threatening depends on........?

[moilami]

Originally Posted by SEE

We are told of a new and equally subversive terrorist threat - 'Cyber Terrorism'! Iran, China, the USA, WIKI Leaks, etc either engaging in or attacked.

Is Wikileaks now considered to be a "terrorist organization"

This is going to be absurd par excellence, and I can say I have already laughed very big time as I watched some news about the panic on different governments regarding Wikileaks. They did not even know what exactly was leaked - yet panicked totally. 'nuff said.

Anyway for me it is all the same what we discuss here. I could not care less because nothing will change for good as a result.

[moilami]

Alright, as my last words I say "the coalition" would had got better results in Iraq by educating 1000 Iraquese women in Universities in USA, Sweden, and Finland in feminist studies and after that sending them back to Iraq

And as funny and ridiculous as that may sound, there is no reasonable doubts about it being by far much bigger win for the world than this "war against terrorism" xxxx.

(Note I totally deny being a feminist.)


Edit: Some may not get the strategy so I explain. The 1000 iraquese feminists would start a change where at first they would get free marriages for women. After that men would have to begin to please women in islamic countries, which would lead men begin to reinterpret the Koran in a way women want. The rest would be history.

Edit: Some may argue it is against Geneve rules of "fair play" and comparable to terrorism to send 1000 feminists to Iraq, but oh well, don't blame me, I am just specialized in creative solutions and someone asked for better solutions

[Sven]

Originally Posted by moilami

Alright, as my last words I say "the coalition" would had got better results in Iraq by educating 1000 Iraquese women in Universities in USA, Sweden, and Finland in feminist studies and after that sending them back to Iraq

And as funny and ridiculous as that may sound, there is no reasonable doubts about it being by far much bigger win for the world than this "war against terrorism" xxxx.

(Note I totally deny being a feminist.)


Edit: Some may not get the strategy so I explain. The 1000 iraquese feminists would start a change where at first they would get free marriages for women. After that men would have to begin to please women in islamic countries, which would lead men begin to reinterpret the Koran in a way women want. The rest would be history.

Edit: Some may argue it is against Geneve rules of "fair play" and comparable to terrorism to send 1000 feminists to Iraq, but oh well, don't blame me, I am just specialized in creative solutions and someone asked for better solutions

Or those 1000 Iraquese women would be jailed or killed when criticising the Koran in Iraq. I dont think Islam would modernize anywhere in the near future in the Middle East, even in my home country they wont do so, the most that is.

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Sven

Or those 1000 Iraquese women would be jailed or killed when criticising the Koran in Iraq. I dont think Islam would modernize anywhere in the near future in the Middle East, even in my home country they wont do so, the most that is.

No they would not. Remember I talked about University quality feminist studies students. They would not cross the line. Or maybe some would but it would make the rest of the "sisters" even more dedicated and careful.

[Sven]

Going so softly into the Islamic culture just isnt going to help in a short while, will take at least a 100 years if you slowly and carefully want the Islam to modernize that way.

I don't really care about the people who are following the Islam in the middle east in the way they do it, let them be, the only thing that annoys me that they wont change in my country, but that has little to do with Ethics of Pilots during WW2 isnt it?

Where were we, oh yeah, shooting shutes, right, if my superior would have forbidden me to do so I wouldn't shoot anyone on a shute, clear. If however my superior allows it, my instinct would rise up and say to me, if he lands walks back to base and kills you the other day, it would be better to end his life, or shoot off both arms so he cant fly any more, but that would be too cruel. If however the pilot you just shot down was clearly over your lines I think the ground troops would enjoy his presence by putting him in jail.

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Sven

Going so softly into the Islamic culture just isnt going to help in a short while, will take at least a 100 years if you slowly and carefully want the Islam to modernize that way.

I don't really care about the people who are following the Islam in the middle east in the way they do it, let them be, the only thing that annoys me that they wont change in my country, but that has little to do with Ethics of Pilots during WW2 isnt it?

Where were we, oh yeah, shooting shutes, right, if my superior would have forbidden me to do so I wouldn't shoot anyone on a shute, clear. If however my superior allows it, my instinct would rise up and say to me, if he lands walks back to base and kills you the other day, it would be better to end his life, or shoot off both arms so he cant fly any more, but that would be too cruel. If however the pilot you just shot down was clearly over your lines I think the ground troops would enjoy his presence by putting him in jail.

By the way I have been thinking.

Could it be possible that I could fly with your squadron in Ostfront? I have a squadron though, but I would like to contribute in your efforts. It could happen that one other pilot from my current squadron could come help too.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Sven

Where were we, oh yeah, shooting shutes, right, if my superior would have forbidden me to do so I wouldn't shoot anyone on a shute, clear. If however my superior allows it, my instinct would rise up and say to me, if he lands walks back to base and kills you the other day, it would be better to end his life, or shoot off both arms so he cant fly any more, but that would be too cruel. If however the pilot you just shot down was clearly over your lines I think the ground troops would enjoy his presence by putting him in jail.

Same here. But then I guess you knew that