Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[MicroWave]

Fascinating.
Which planes use this MGunB20t installation?

[I/ZG52_HaDeS]

Well, this Berzin 20mm is not used But the SvVAK 20mm IS, and it also has 0 dispersion value:

maxDeltaAngle = 0.0F;

It is used by PE-8 Heavy Bomber.

Sorry that i confused these 2 20mm Soviet sniper cannons. Now you know that a 20mm Cannon is as accurate as a sniper gun.
And BTW, don't you find "fascinating" the bomb data?
could you clarify this for us please?

Thank you for your time,

[jermin]

Very nice posts, Hades!

Though I'm not a fan of mods because there are too many cheating mod users online. (In fact, I have not played IL2 for months because of this.) But I'm standing on your side this time. Thank you for providing us the facts that prove our 'feeling' was right. I'll wait and see whether BoB will still have such intentionally unbalanced FMs before I make a purchase.

[I/ZG52_HaDeS]

What i wrote above is known. An the TD guys know them.
I really hope that all these will be fixed one day.

Cheers

[MicroWave]

You didn't confuse anything. Your agenda was clear from the start.
One plane out of cca 300 hundred has a wrong gun with maxDeltaAngle bug, so what? It happens to be a Russian bomber. Just as easily it could have been one of the Luftwaffe bombers.

What is exactly wrong with the bomb data? Do you have any historical evidence or historical tests which prove otherwise? If indeed it is a bug, how big it must have been when nobody made a simple ingame test for 10 years? Do you expect developers to jump every time when someone says that there might be something wrong?

[I/ZG52_HaDeS]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

You didn't confuse anything. Your agenda was clear from the start.

Do you REALLY want to start over this?
Come on,
And you confirmed that i was right about the 20mm sniper-gun. Thank you for this.

And about the bombs:
So it is Perfectly OK Bombs of the SAME "family", having the SAME weight to have 3+ times greater effective radius?

There are data, yes. So you say that you haven't found any? And again, what makes you think that a bomb of the same weight using the same technology can have >3 times more the effective radius?

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

An something else:
Everybody complains about the "sniper gunners". Well, there is a parameter that defines the "angle error" of the 'bullet", for each weapon.
This is the "Dispersion" of each gun. The Sniper value is the ZERO dispersion, and the more we increase it, the less accurate this weapon is,
and thus the gunner.

Lets see the Berezin B-20 20mm Soviet cannon when mounts a defensive installation in a bomber:


maxDeltaAngle = 0.0F;

It means that despite it is mounted in a flexible defensive installation its dispersion value is "0", meaning that chances are you get a bullet in your head in no-time.

Lets check the German MG151/20 when mounted in a defensive installation:

maxDeltaAngle = 0.25F;

It has a considerable dispersion value so you won't get a bullet in your head so easily. But still this value is somehow high
compared with the value that the same weapon has when mounted in a plane.

And last lets check the MG131 when it mounts a defensive position:

maxDeltaAngle = 0.24F;

Again, you are fee to judge

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

Do you REALLY want to start over this?
Come on,
And you confirmed that i was right about the 20mm sniper-gun. Thank you for this.

And about the bombs:
So it is Perfectly OK Bombs of the SAME "family", having the SAME weight to have 3+ times greater effective radius?

There are data, yes. So you say that you haven't found any? And again, what makes you think that a bomb of the same weight using the same technology can have >3 times more the effective radius?

Start? No. I'll let the readers be be the judge of your posts.

You were right about something? I wouldn't go that far. Maybe in your political views you lean to the right.

I was perfectly clear about the bombs effectiveness. Without historical evidence and/or documents, the numbers stay the same as they are. There is no other option.

Anything else?

[I/ZG52_HaDeS]

So lets summarise:

A) It is ok certain bombs to have >3 times the effective radius compared with the same family bombs from another side.
B) It is OK that bomb and Rocket pylons from a certain side to NOT cause drag or add weight to certain fighters while all other Pylons add significant weight and drag.
C) Its OK guns from a certain side to be more accurate.

And you are talking about "political agenta",

Anything else?
Are you planning to fix this? And yes, there are data for bombs. I'll send you some time allows.

Cheers,

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

So lets summarise:

A) It is ok certain bombs to have >3 times the effective radius compared with the same family bombs from another side.
B) It is OK that bomb and Rocket pylons from a certain side to NOT cause drag or add weight to certain fighters while all other Pylons add significant weight and drag.
C) Its OK guns from a certain side to be more accurate.

And you are talking about "political agenta",

Anything else?
Are you planning to fix this? And yes, there are data for bombs. I'll send you some time allows.

Cheers,

A) Why wouldn't it be OK, if this matches the historical performance? If you have any documents proving otherwise, feel free to send them to the appropriate address. You don't want us to "balance" things because it is unfair, do you? Have you checked other nations too? I've heard that Japanese have some uber bombs also...
B) Where did you get that from? Maybe those 4 types of pylons are considered as always attached and the penalty for "your" nemesis is always on? You can at least detach "your" pylons and fly without them just by using a different loadout.
C) Which side? Which guns? All I saw was rambling about uber RED guns and completely distorted perception of what the numbers 'mean'.

Are you accusing me of RED bias?
I have to bookmark this post.
I suppose people will easily see who has the agenda here. If you do not completely edit your posts, that is.

We will fix anything that is wrong in the game:
1) if it is feasible (regarding time needed and our skills).
and
2) if we have/obtain evidence to back it up.

Oh, since you are editing your post so fast, I'll preserve this pearl for posterity:

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

...

And weight here mainly means Drag!

[AndyJWest]

So the question comes down to whether we should expect TD to make changes based on cherry-picked data, because some people think there is a conspiracy to boost certain nations' aircraft?

So much for objectivity.