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Originally Posted by JAMF

The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present:
Maddox Simulations: Battle of Britain

I agree, this is perfect.

[Les]

Using the name Oleg Maddox in the main title doesn't seem approriate to me, for reasons already stated, among others.

Maddox Games would be alright IMO, ie. 'Maddox Games Presents'.

I think IL-2 in the main title should be avoided, for varying reasons, but should definitely be included around the main title, ie. 'From the creators of the award-winning IL-2 Sturmovik Series'.

It could be a combination of both, but for the main title, I think it should either be purely descriptive and functional, or purely creative and enigmatic. That is, it should just tell you straight up what's in the box, or it should make you wonder what is.

'Storm of War' does neither of these things for me, and has a lot of negatives in other regards too.

As for aiming the main title at casual game-players, it may catch a few new customers but could easily result in too much of a compromise of the other elements the title should have, and I personally have little time or respect for such forms of advertizing.

I've come up with a few typical sounding titles that I myself think are alright, and which I could even attempt to justify in various ways, but I doubt they'd be considered, and again, I'm not really interested in any of those Air/Sky/Cloud/Fighter/War type variations, it's been done to death IMO.

Going off on a different tangent, the latest one I've been thinking of is - AVSIM+

This is obviously one of the more purely functional titles. It does have something of an enigmatic aspect to it as well though. People in the know will understand it's an AViation SIMulation, but most people wouldn't. And those who get the AVSIM bit, won't know just by the title what the PLUS or + bit means, and so may be drawn to find out. What that plus refers to of course is the combat aspect that is lacking in general aviation sims, and it could also refer to the non-flying combat elements that this new series has the potential to include (and will include to some limited extent right from the start).

Anyway, at the end of the day, I'm not really into marketing (obviously) and I don't care too much what it's called. I can say though, there's no variation on 'Storm of War' that I'll be able to talk out loud about with anyone in the general populace. 'Storm of War' or 'S.O.W' or 'sow' (ffs) just sound embarrasing to me when I actually say them out loud. But that's just me, people can try that for themselves and make up their own minds about that.

P.S.

The first installment inthe series doesn't have to be call 'Battle of Britain' either, it could just be called 'Britain 1940'.

So, you'd have something like this (with or without the first two lines)-

From the creators of the award-winning IL-2 Sturmovik series


Maddox Games Presents

AvSim+

Britain 1940

[Immermann]

Originally Posted by Les

Maddox Games Presents

AvSim+

Britain 1940[/CENTER]

This title would be too neutered and watered down. It doesn't really grab you.
"Battle of Brittain" tells you exactly what it's about.
"Brittain 1940" could be an old travel report.

And AvSim+ sounds like a nutritional supplement.

The great George Carlin had it right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNk_k...AB13C6&index=5

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Immermann

This title would be too neutered and watered down. It doesn't really grab you.
"Battle of Brittain" tells you exactly what it's about.
"Brittain 1940" could be an old travel report.

And AvSim+ sounds like a nutritional supplement.

The great George Carlin had it right:

I love it Immermann. I'm here filling out my time card for work and I'm chuckling all the way threw it....Thanks for putting this up.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Immermann

The great George Carlin had it right:

Mmm, wel the first half was good, but it seems he stopped thinking and just started spouting drivle by the end. A bit OT though.

[Romanator21]

It's 1C-Softclub that wanted to call it "IL-2", not Ubi, as far as we know.

From the creators of Il2
Storm of War - Battle of Britain

Perfect - keep it nice and simple!!

(OMG was obviously a joke, but hey, it could work )

[the Dutchman]

1CiL-2SoWBoB......simple.

[Hood]

Oleg Maddox presents

THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN

Storm of War series

From the creaters of IL2: Forgotten Battles

With appropriate text and graphics and a lovely picture blah blah blah. Inspiration taken from the Pacific Fighters box art. the Storm of War bit is to build brand awareness if that's what they want to do.

replace The Battle of Britain with Kämpfen um dem Scheißekanal for the German version.


Hood

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Hood

replace The Battle of Britain with Kämpfen um dem Scheißekanal for the German version.

lol

[Les]

Originally Posted by Immermann

This title would be too neutered and watered down. It doesn't really grab you.
"Battle of Brittain" tells you exactly what it's about.
"Brittain 1940" could be an old travel report.

And AvSim+ sounds like a nutritional supplement.

Dude, I think you're confused, I said AvSim PLUS. AvSim PLUS. This is the new improved formula, perfectly designed to supplement your flight-simming intake. With regular use it will enhance your virtual aviation skills and general manliness like nothing before. Trust me, it will make you go harder longer than anything you might be using now. If you're interested, I can get you hooked up for wholesale prices, straight out of Hong Kong, any currency, just let me know ok...

Seriously though, whatever you think of the title I suggested, and I'm not saying it's great either (and I'm not trying defend it or 'sell' it here) , I think the logic and concept behind it is sound.

I agree it doesn't really 'grab you' in the same sense that other less descriptive titles might, but I don't think it should be criticized for being too generic either. It's meant to be the overall name for a series of flight sims, not just one set in a particular kind of aircraft, or in the Battle of Britain, or even in WW2 (we already have a Korean War add-on announced). How is a more specific name going to look when the series gets as fleshed out as it probably will (rhetorical question)? Even something as generic as 'Combat Flight Simulator' might end up being too exclusive of the content that eventually gets included.

BTW, it looked to me like the inclusion of that George Carlin video in your post was there to suggest AvSim+ is a more euphemistic title than 'Storm of War'. The thing is, AvSim+ isn't meant to describe the content of the sim, it's simply saying what the overall product is, it's an aviation sim. The plus bit could be considered euphemistic if you take it to refer only to the combat aspect of the content, but that's just one interpretation. The phrase 'storm of war' could actually be considered more euphemistic, even in the context of the original speech from which it was taken (ie. don't worry, those aren't bombs landing on your head, you're just in a storm of war...).

Incidentally, I wouldn't call myself a fan, but I've watched a lot of George Carlin's video's in the past (including the one you posted) and agree with a lot of the things he said. Are you familiar with Bill Hicks' work, he had some strong things to say about advertizing (and other things) as well, in a similar sort of vein.

Going to let this subject go now, have spent way too much time thinking about it.