SoW: Battle for Moscow and other Igromir news

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Great post, Oleg, thanks for correcting me

Here was Luthier's original post:

It's quite different. It took a lot of time for me to readjust and to actually learn to shoot things down again. I needed some convincing that the new feeling was indeed better. The most convincing argument was lots and lots of guncam footage, where time and again I saw the guys keep having the exact same kind of trouble lining up and hitting targets that I myself was having.

Lower speeds also feel different. It's so much fun to just barnstorm in a Tiger Moth, flying through hangars, or doing loops under the Tower Bridge at 45 mph.

The joystick input has a lot more than what we had with Il-2. You can adjust your settings of course.




he was talking about the FM is this what you meant?
Link: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...118#post143118

Even if to add just different effects of air mass working around then already will be other than in Il-2 feel even if there will be just old IL-2 FM. Ilya said from user point of view and what you would like to hear. And from this point of view he said everything correct.

Joystick input have nothing common with programming of FM. It is just game adjustments for the different of the joysticks types and not everybody even can adjust it for the most close feel of response comparing to real aircraft. It is real problem with which we all need to live.

In a common with FM programming of joystick the FIXED input-response to controls MUST be just one joystick on the market and this joystick must have all players. Hope you understand what I told here.

who knows how to adjust the input curves will get the most realistic feel.

[philip.ed]

Yes, I understand you now. I had though, initially, that when Luthier said it took him time to readjust to the game that it had something to do with the flight-model. I can see, though, how external matters (like the air-masses as you say) would make a difference too. This is great to hear. I can't wait to try and shoot a single-engine plane down in SoW Hopefully we'll get to see this in a later update some-time...



Thanks for answering our questions.

Oleg, can you maybe clarify how ground is effected by

a) bombs (Last time I asked about deep craters you told that you never stated deep craters.) So will there be at least not-so-deep 3D craters?

b) a plane crashing in ground with an angle where it slips on until it stops (where in real life the ground would have sth. like a "scar".

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Hecke

Oleg, can you maybe clarify how ground is effected by

a) bombs (Last time I asked about deep craters you told that you never stated deep craters.) So will there be at least not-so-deep 3D craters?

b) a plane crashing in ground with an angle where it slips on until it stops (where in real life the ground would have sth. like a "scar".

a) There is craters. And I told there we have it. And I told that the shot with the damaged gear is a result of my inaccurate taxing on the feld right after the bomb raid.

b) Didn't understand your question. If you mean crash landing without gear down (bail landing), than iot is possible in Il-2 and more real in BoB. If you are speaking about damges of surfaces, prop, - yes some of them are happens. But not 100% like in real life. Such type landings gives real feel in a cockpit, but not 100% real visuals outside of cockpit. But the damages of internals or some of external details are actual for real bail landing.

[philip.ed]

Oleg, he meant that, if we crash in a field, will we see the destroyed crops where our plane crashed through the field?

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Oleg, he meant that, if we crash in a field, will we see the destroyed crops where our plane crashed through the field?

I did answer, yes we will see. But all things will be like real scarps This is completely other type of damage than the combat damage. We pay more greater attention of visuals for combat damage and less for bail landing. Howver in both cases you may get damage similar depending of the hit force. And ypou can't take the aircraft by a crane to look what happend with the surface under the plane after such landing

[Bloblast]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

I did answer, yes we will see. But all things will be like real scarps This is completely other type of damage than the combat damage. We pay more greater attention of visuals for combat damage and less for bail landing. Howver in both cases you may get damage similar depending of the hit force. And ypou can't take the aircraft by a crane to look what happend with the surface under the plane after such landing

Oleg,

Is the mission over after crash landing and stepping out like in IL-2?

[Bloblast]

Oleg,

The new series with Battle of Britain and Battle for Moscow is also presented as IL-2 in the title. I assume this is the actual name?

Advantage is that this name is very well known, and a household name is in the combat flight sim business.
Disadvantage is that people might think it is an add on for the first IL-2 series.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Bloblast

Oleg,

Is the mission over after crash landing and stepping out like in IL-2?

At the moment the types of mission end are not finished. There should be different various. Because unfinished the menus of interface at first...

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

who knows how to adjust the input curves will get the most realistic feel.

Perfect. And today, with joysticks with larger resolutions, we need less and more linear curves, no deadzones and filtering at all. Just little tweaks and avoid big jumps to get smooth input settings.

The great quality leap in this matter don't came from 1C, Oleg, etc, is about hardware producers and our hard work tweaking and modifying the control inputs we use. IL-2 are great in input settings and I believe BoB will be better.

If people have trouble with joystick responsiveness, try the solution I achieve: really cheap and great feel and control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC4QqG4KiGM

Ugly and messy, a little "off-topic", but with IL-2 great possibilities in setting control inputs and good FM, I have the feeling I'm in a real Warbird, with little budget, and peole can beggin to imagine solutions with control rods with WWII dimensions and feel what I'm talking about...

Don't blame IL-2 and future BoB FM and interface for input lack of responsiveness, blame your input solution and tweak it! It's easy!