whats the best tnb fighter with deicent top speed

[haitch40]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

If you want a good Soviet TnB fighter, that isn't so big like the La-5FN and La-7 (They could be considered a Soviet-esque Spitfire even though they were smaller all around), I suggest the Yak-3! Why? Not only is it fashionably cool () but it's got all around speed, turning, and good armament. Twin Berezin UBS MGs and one BEAUTIFUL 20mm ShVAK Cannon.

no it is very agile 1 minuit but if you keep turning it goes in a streight line every half a turn

[kozzm0]

Originally Posted by haitch40

no it is very agile 1 minuit but if you keep turning it goes in a streight line every half a turn

The yak isn't well represented in BOP. It's also not quite designed for the slow-speed endgame fights that the online is mostly about, or the magic g-suits the pilots wear so that only their vision is affected. At the speeds it's designed to fight at, it can turn as fast as the pilot can physically tolerate, and same for the opponent.

If a yak attacks a spit, and the spit manages to evade the first pass and slow down so it gains angles, the yak can just fly away. It just wouldn't get any points in BOP because someone else would kill the spit first.

Until they fix the scoring so every death is -5 points, the best performer in BOP battles will still be the i-153, which is sad.

[haitch40]

Originally Posted by kozzm0

The yak isn't well represented in BOP. It's also not quite designed for the slow-speed endgame fights that the online is mostly about, or the magic g-suits the pilots wear so that only their vision is affected. At the speeds it's designed to fight at, it can turn as fast as the pilot can physically tolerate, and same for the opponent.

If a yak attacks a spit, and the spit manages to evade the first pass and slow down so it gains angles, the yak can just fly away. It just wouldn't get any points in BOP because someone else would kill the spit first.

Until they fix the scoring so every death is -5 points, the best performer in BOP battles will still be the i-153, which is sad.

yes but whenever i turn i always have throttle at 100% i find the plane turns better for me that way

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by haitch40

yes but whenever i turn i always have throttle at 100% i find the plane turns better for me that way

That's a common misconception. Planes actually do NOT turn better when they're at 100% throttle. You actually make a wider turn, than you would if you cut it down to say 50% throttle. So maybe rather than turning at 100% throttle, cut it down to 50% or more if you like, and see how much better/shorter a turning circle you can make.

That's probably why you think the Yak don't turn well because you're flying at 100% throttle, when you should be cutting down the throttle going into the turn, and maxing it out as you extend out of the turn.

[kozzm0]

There's two kinds of turning "better," turn radius and turn rate. Planes like Yaks have their highest turn rate at higher speeds, thus higher turn radius, than planes like spits and hurricanes. In reality they both had about the same max sustained turn rate, but in BOP the spit can do about 1 or 2 seconds better.

In BOP the spit and la5 have about equal max sustained, but for the la5 it's at a higher speed. So it turns a bigger circle, but it still goes full circle in the same period of time. If you keep an la5 at its max sustained speed, a spit won't gain angles in a turn chase. It might get a shot eventually because of its turn radius, but if you stay fast and keep your eye on the slower plane, you can jink at the right moment. Most spit pilots will slow down to minimize their turn radius looking for the quick shot, and in doing so they end up going below their ideal turn speed and turn slower. That is when the faster plane turns the corner and gets the advantage.

The yak-3's corner speed is somewhere between 320 and 370. faster than that, you'll turn faster with low throttle; slower, with full throttle. But not sharper. A yak-3 can turn as sharp as a spitfire, but not as fast when doing so.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by kozzm0

There's two kinds of turning "better," turn radius and turn rate. Planes like Yaks have their highest turn rate at higher speeds, thus higher turn radius, than planes like spits and hurricanes. In reality they both had about the same max sustained turn rate, but in BOP the spit can do about 1 or 2 seconds better.

In BOP the spit and la5 have about equal max sustained, but for the la5 it's at a higher speed. So it turns a bigger circle, but it still goes full circle in the same period of time. If you keep an la5 at its max sustained speed, a spit won't gain angles in a turn chase. It might get a shot eventually because of its turn radius, but if you stay fast and keep your eye on the slower plane, you can jink at the right moment. Most spit pilots will slow down to minimize their turn radius looking for the quick shot, and in doing so they end up going below their ideal turn speed and turn slower. That is when the faster plane turns the corner and gets the advantage.

The yak-3's corner speed is somewhere between 320 and 370. faster than that, you'll turn faster with low throttle; slower, with full throttle. But not sharper. A yak-3 can turn as sharp as a spitfire, but not as fast when doing so.

It depends on the Spitfire though. The Yak-3 could turn faster than a Spit 1-V, and equal to the IX while the Griffons and others, probably not as fast but sharper definitely.

[kozzm0]

That's possible that it could turn a lower radius, but it would lose angles because of its higher wing loading, I doubt its ROT can compete at that speed. Even though its real-life ROT is just as good but at somewhat higher speed. If going to low radius doesn't get it a quick kill, it's in a bad position. Better to let the slow plane make that mistake, then pound it from above when it's too slow to climb. A Spifire going around in slow flat circles is a welcome sight to any fast plane

I haven't seen EM charts for yak-3, maybe I will try to find one.

I got bored and drew a couple diagrams about haitch's questions, next time I'm bored I'll scan and post them.