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[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Ernst

The P-51 was known for some high speed spin characteristics due to the laminar flow wing.

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If you see the video above the pilot states that there is no way a p-51 could turn fight a 109 in medium to low range of speed. Then i ask, based on what do you state that the new p-51 are correct?

The old P-51 was not an air coffin, it was to you because you tried to turn fight in it. The old was very fast and impossible to pursuit in any fighter. The good P-51 pilot remained untouched.

I pursuited the p-51s many times and no way i could catch it, even in Doras. The ones i destroyed are flying low and turning a lot.

First, the P-51 wasn't know for some "high speed spin characteristics" in real life, sorry. It's always some point people trying to impinge to this aircraft in basis of IL-2 model. The P-51 was know as one of the better WWII aircrafts, stable, reliable. And the loss of control in high speed maneuvers still there, but in HIGH SPEEDS AND AGREESIVE MANEUVERS, as any other aircraft, and in P-51 - because os laminar airflow wing, or other model factor - is more intense than other aircraft in IL-2.

What we don't have more are medium-low speed crazy stalls/spins.

Regards turn fighting in P-51, I got two 109s in the initial turn. The P-51 now is stable an as in real life can turn great initialy, but in IL-2 and real life can't sustain energy in slow turning against an 109. So, the P-51 isn't a Spitfire, but it CAN TURN FIGHT A DORA OR ANTON, for example, without enter in a crazy spin.

[ElAurens]

As to "single bullet" damage to wings not being a factor for "red" planes, I guess you don't fly Yaks much huh?

One hit to the wing and you are combat ineffective.

All this Blue vs. Red whining is just a smokescreen by the whiners on both sides. It isn't about historic performance, it's about the points online.

Be sure.

[TheGrunch]

^ Pretty much.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

As to "single bullet" damage to wings not being a factor for "red" planes, I guess you don't fly Yaks much huh?

One hit to the wing and you are combat ineffective.

All this Blue vs. Red whining is just a smokescreen by the whiners on both sides. It isn't about historic performance, it's about the points online.

Be sure.

for once we are in 100% agreement

happy new year

[Ernst]

Maybe i used the wrong term, but the p-51 had characteristics that lead it to an accelerated stall, something like a "snap roll", quite easily compared to other aircraft. It was stable but not for turn fights, it was built for speed not tight turns.

Maybe the 109s are too fast and the elevator heavy.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

for once we are in 100% agreement

happy new year

Happy New Year fruitbat. All the best.

[rakinroll]

Ok, try to attack to an airfield which covered by flacks with any russian planes (except Migs) or any raf planes or any american planes. Then try to do the same with any Stuka, Bf or FW series. You will see how the German planes weak against any hit from ground. It is the same against any gunfire from Ally planes. If i am wrong, i will never talk about this.

[Igo kyu]

In my experience, offline only, attacking airfields, flying red, is suicide. I refuse those missions. I fully believe that they are also suicide for blue, but that's not different from red.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

.... flying red, is suicide .... are also suicide for blue

bingo.

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

First, the P-51 wasn't know for some "high speed spin characteristics" in real life, sorry. It's always some point people trying to impinge to this aircraft in basis of IL-2 model. The P-51 was know as one of the better WWII aircrafts, stable, reliable. And the loss of control in high speed maneuvers still there, but in HIGH SPEEDS AND AGREESIVE MANEUVERS, as any other aircraft, and in P-51 - because os laminar airflow wing, or other model factor - is more intense than other aircraft in IL-2.

What we don't have more are medium-low speed crazy stalls/spins.

Regards turn fighting in P-51, I got two 109s in the initial turn. The P-51 now is stable an as in real life can turn great initialy, but in IL-2 and real life can't sustain energy in slow turning against an 109. So, the P-51 isn't a Spitfire, but it CAN TURN FIGHT A DORA OR ANTON, for example, without enter in a crazy spin.

The flying envelope for the P-51