Mig-3 - Page 2

IceFire · #11 11-04-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

My vote for worst cockpit in game is the PZL P11c. What a visual nightmare.

Now, back on topic, I have always loved the look of the Mig 3. It has serious "stationary velocity", if you know what I mean.

It was also the very first bird I flew when I installed IL2 way back in December of 2001.

True... P.11 a nightmare for sure!

Stationary velocity... I like it. Yeah it's a fast mover when it gets going but it doesn't want to change directions very easily. It's very much an interceptor and not a very good fighter. You can see why it was consigned to early war engagements only and was phased out later.

Tempest123 · #12 11-05-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SaQSoN

http://www.rusavia.com/data/services/repair/

Check the movie on this page:

http://www.infox.ru/authority/defenc...e_samoly.phtml

The second half is about restoring the MiG-3

Great movie, thanks for the info.

SaQSoN · #13 11-05-2010, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bf-110

I saw you guys mentioning this site and the IL2 threads on it.
Is it the site from the legendary russian aircraft company Sukhoi?

No. This is a fan site. It was started something like 11 or so years ago by a fan of "Su-27" game (the first one in ED series). However, the site is also dedicated to general aviation as well. One can say, it is the most popular Russian site about aircraft simulation games and related stuff. Something, like Russian SimHQ.

About new MiG-3 model and Sukhoi.ru: there is nothing like that on this site, more over, this site does not support IL-2 modding and discussion of mods is prohibited there.

Avimimus · #14 11-05-2010, 01:42 PM

Sorry, it was at Aviaskins (the working group is rebuilding the model from scratch and Vert has fixed the 2xUD and 2xShVAK canopies).

ElAurens · #15 11-05-2010, 03:41 PM

Did the real Mig 3 really have the non existant elevators like the in game version?

Honestly I cannot imagine building a fighter that has what amounts to no elevators.

SaQSoN · #16 11-06-2010, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Avimimus

Sorry, it was at Aviaskins (the working group is rebuilding the model from scratch

For a start, it's not very well modeled, though much better, then the original one. But that's not a big problem. However, I don't see a reason to change only one MiG-3 version out of several, we have in game. So, if they will enhance all MiG-3 externals in the game - that's another deal. And finally, they didn't suggest this project for inclusion into the official patch/add-on. Without their will and permission, no one can just take it and include it.

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Originally Posted by Avimimus

and Vert has fixed the 2xUD and 2xShVAK canopies).

We'll see.

Avimimus · #17 11-06-2010, 12:26 PM

Yes, I can certainly see the logic. I was mainly interested to see if any plans were already in the works. I'm sentimental about the old Mig-3 model anyway. I wouldn't really want it to be replaced.

Vert's new cockpits are good - I'm glad you're aware of them and that they are under consideration. It always seemed like a giant omission to be staring through the Mig-3U cockpit (especially when the models don't match).

Avimimus · #18 11-06-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

Did the real Mig 3 really have the non existant elevators like the in game version?

Honestly I cannot imagine building a fighter that has what amounts to no elevators.

Well, it is a high speed design. The long engine means that you can already get some quite odd (and useful) behaviours at high angles of attack. In my own experience I've never felt that I needed more powerful elevators (compared to the Lavochkin's poor responsiveness in pitch, for instance).

Having control surfaces that don't separate from the plane at 720kph on the other hand... would be nice.

ElAurens · #19 11-06-2010, 01:44 PM

At speed I think any medium bomber in the game has more elevator authority than the Mig-3. I find it difficult to accept this on the face of it.

I'm just wondering what the real bird was like.

Igo kyu · #20 11-06-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

At speed I think any medium bomber in the game has more elevator authority than the Mig-3. I find it difficult to accept this on the face of it.

I'm just wondering what the real bird was like.

Maybe the elevators stiffened up at speed, other planes did that (was it ailerons on the Spitfire?), I find the MiG turns quite well (compared to the 109E) if you keep the speed down.