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Old 08-07-2009, 05:47 PM
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Yeah your right..I went a little hard there. No disrepect to any vets out there. I was just a little fumed when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Still though that vet might not be giving that interview if the german pilot/pilots were more experienced. It was a desperate manuever. I guess that's the thing though...you never knew... something like that might actually work since there's a 1 in 10 chance your up against a experienced combat pilot.
No you are totally right about those odds!

I was watching that and my only thought was that the 109's were just sitting there waiting for him to shoot them!
And I know you didn't mean any disrespect
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:57 PM
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No you are totally right about those odds!

I was watching that and my only thought was that the 109's were just sitting there waiting for him to shoot them!
And I know you didn't mean any disrespect
haha yeah the show is a mix of good and bad...sometimes they due a good job trying to inform the layman other times it's oversimplified to the extent of looking absolutely rediculous. "here I am! shoot me please!"
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:35 PM
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I don't think the Bf109s in that video were the right Bf109s anyway. They look like Bf109G10s or Bf109Ks, when it is far more likely they were Bf109G6s, probably equipped with the twin 20mm underslung cannon that where useful against bombers but hated by German pilots because they eroded the 109s performance and manoeuvrability. This would also explain the other Bf109s inability to out turn the P51 later in the engagement.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:43 PM
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I don't think the Bf109s in that video were the right Bf109s anyway. They look like Bf109G10s or Bf109Ks, when it is far more likely they were Bf109G6s, probably equipped with the twin 20mm underslung cannon that where useful against bombers but hated by German pilots because they eroded the 109s performance and manoeuvrability. This would also explain the other Bf109s inability to out turn the P51 later in the engagement.
You know that's a good point. Were the underslung cannons an option on the G?..meaning... could pilots have the ground crew easily remove them if they were disliked?

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Old 08-07-2009, 07:05 PM
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The Rustsatz field modifications allowed for guns or other equipment to be fitted to standardised location points present on all aircraft from the G onwards. Therefore the extra 20mm cannon could be removed in the field, but without them the standard G6 armament of 1 20mm cannon and 2 13mm MGs lacked punch against bombers.

Normal solution was to have some 109s without extra armament escorting the more heavily armed bomber destroyers. Other solutions were to use Bf109s fitted with a 30mm engine mounted cannon as a permanent modification, or another Rustsatz kit with 2 30mm cannon fitted instead of the optional 20mm cannon, but these were late introductions and the 30mm Mk108 had too slow a fire rate and too low a muzzle velocity for effective use against fighters.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:55 PM
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The Rustsatz field modifications allowed for guns or other equipment to be fitted to standardised location points present on all aircraft from the G onwards. Therefore the extra 20mm cannon could be removed in the field, but without them the standard G6 armament of 1 20mm cannon and 2 13mm MGs lacked punch against bombers.

Normal solution was to have some 109s without extra armament escorting the more heavily armed bomber destroyers. Other solutions were to use Bf109s fitted with a 30mm engine mounted cannon as a permanent modification, or another Rustsatz kit with 2 30mm cannon fitted instead of the optional 20mm cannon, but these were late introductions and the 30mm Mk108 had too slow a fire rate and too low a muzzle velocity for effective use against fighters.
This has to be the biggest 'nerd-off' I've ever seen... as a matter of fact, this entire forum is NOTHING but flight nerds... you people know WAY to much about these things...
I love it
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:21 PM
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This has to be the biggest 'nerd-off' I've ever seen... as a matter of fact, this entire forum is NOTHING but flight nerds... you people know WAY to much about these things...
I love it
yeah I think David should work for the history channel
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:41 PM
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This has to be the biggest 'nerd-off' I've ever seen... as a matter of fact, this entire forum is NOTHING but flight nerds... you people know WAY to much about these things...
I love it
Agread, complete no life nerds. I really don't like it, but hey, you learn a thing or two... plus i'm bored and like the game.
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