How Realistic Is The Simulation Mode?

[butterfield]

Originally Posted by Desode

Hey Doktorwzzerd, Here is some real info on the p-51 and here are the links to videos to back it all up.
I'm sorry but butterfield is not correct on all of his assumptions

Actually I hate to say it, and I don't want to start anything, but the P-51 was a amazing plane. It shot down TONS of enemy aircraft. It could do Crazy tight manuevers that no other plane could do. If a 109 got on a p-51 ones trail, It didn't matter, if the P-51 pilot knew the plane ! That 109 was done for.

Uhh... if you do some real research instead of a TV show showing a some noobs in 109's and a lucky p-51 pilot putting himself in a dumb low energy positions then you might have more of an understanding of how the P-51 was actually being flown during the war.

Yes the P-51 had lots of kills and has a legendary reputation...but it sure as hell wasn't from turn and burn dogfights. The P-51 was horrible at low speed, low altitude affairs. You take a P-51 into a slow turning fight against an experienced 109 pilot and guess what... you were more than likely dead.

The P-51 was meant to be flown at high speed. Using superior BnZ tactics and refusing to turn fight is what this plane is known for. Speed is life for the P-51.

[David603]

Yeah, a lot of people will look at any fighter with a good reputation and assume it must be fantastic at the only form of dogfighting they know, which is basic low speed Turn-n-Burn.

Therefore I fully expect to see a lot of people online trying to use the P51 in this role, and getting worked over by people who know how to use a Fw190 or Bf109 properly.

[butterfield]

Originally Posted by David603

Yeah, a lot of people will look at any fighter with a good reputation and assume it must be fantastic at the only form of dogfighting they know, which is basic low speed Turn-n-Burn.

Therefore I fully expect to see a lot of people online trying to use the P51 in this role, and getting worked over by people who know how to use a Fw190 or Bf109 properly.

I know I can hardly wait. .. I learned my lessons the hard way from years of IL-2. BOP online is going to be like poping tin cans with a pellet gun. People have no clue about what real dogfighting was in WW2 apart from what they see in movies/TV. They see a planes turning turning turning. They have no idea of the tactics involved especially for the hotrod USAAF fighters.

[SleepTrgt]

Originally Posted by butterfield

I know I can hardly wait. .. I learned my lessons the hard way from years of IL-2. BOP online is going to be like poping tin cans with a pellet gun. People have no clue about what real dogfighting was in WW2 apart from what they see in movies/TV. They see a planes turning turning turning. They have no idea of the tactics involved especially for the hotrod USAAF fighters.

Yea, like i can fly, but i dont know any tactics at all, hopefully someone can teach me so i can become a true ace!

[butterfield]

Originally Posted by SleepTrgt

Yea, like i can fly, but i dont know any tactics at all, hopefully someone can teach me so i can become a true ace!

The first thing is to start reading. There are all kinds of IL-2 guides available that will actually help you out...even for individual aircraft . Google is your friend.

Here is a very nice beginner guide I remember reading some time ago. Should give you a start. Some of it pertains to the PC version and setup for online..but the aircraft, pilots and strategy section will give you a good start. According to this guide I would rank myself as class 3. There are folks onliine everyday that will tear me apart though. It's going to be very interesting to see the diffrerent levels of pilots coming into BOP's online.

http://combat-asylum.com/uploads/dow...ogfighting.pdf

[thundermuffin]

Originally Posted by butterfield

Uhh... if you do some real research instead of a TV show showing a some noobs in 109's and a lucky p-51 pilot putting himself in a dumb low energy positions then you might have more of an understanding of how the P-51 was actually being flown during the war.

Yes the P-51 had lots of kills and has a legendary reputation...but it sure as hell wasn't from turn and burn dogfights. The P-51 was horrible at low speed, low altitude affairs. You take a P-51 into a slow turning fight against an experienced 109 pilot and guess what... you were more than likely dead.

The P-51 was meant to be flown at high speed. Using superior BnZ tactics and refusing to turn fight is what this plane is known for. Speed is life for the P-51.

Just want to point out that HE is alive and the 109 is not... He isn't lucky and he isn't dumb. I hate to be all "USA! USA!" but he is a fine soldier and did one hell of a job. I'd rather you call out the plane than the pilot. It's really easy for you to be a monday morning QB (if your not American, sorry for esoteric idiom), but you were never in a combat situation like this... none of us will EVER be in a real dogfight. Just remember that.

[juz1]

Originally Posted by thundermuffin

Just want to point out that HE is alive and the 109 is not... He isn't lucky and he isn't dumb. I hate to be all "USA! USA!" but he is a fine soldier and did one hell of a job. I'd rather you call out the plane than the pilot. It's really easy for you to be a monday morning QB (if your not American, sorry for esoteric idiom), but you were never in a combat situation like this... none of us will EVER be in a real dogfight. Just remember that.

thank god too...if some of the posters from this forum were wingmen I'd have to give "friendly-fire" some serious thought...either that or defect...
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[butterfield]

Originally Posted by thundermuffin

Just want to point out that HE is alive and the 109 is not... He isn't lucky and he isn't dumb. I hate to be all "USA! USA!" but he is a fine soldier and did one hell of a job. I'd rather you call out the plane than the pilot. It's really easy for you to be a monday morning QB (if your not American, sorry for esoteric idiom), but you were never in a combat situation like this... none of us will EVER be in a real dogfight. Just remember that.

Yeah your right..I went a little hard there. No disrepect to any vets out there. I was just a little fumed when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Still though that vet might not be giving that interview if the german pilot/pilots were more experienced. It was a desperate manuever. I guess that's the thing though...you never knew... something like that might actually work since there's a 1 in 10 chance your up against a experienced combat pilot. It surely has nothing to due with that plane though.

[thundermuffin]

Originally Posted by butterfield

Yeah your right..I went a little hard there. No disrepect to any vets out there. I was just a little fumed when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Still though that vet might not be giving that interview if the german pilot/pilots were more experienced. It was a desperate manuever. I guess that's the thing though...you never knew... something like that might actually work since there's a 1 in 10 chance your up against a experienced combat pilot.

No you are totally right about those odds!

I was watching that and my only thought was that the 109's were just sitting there waiting for him to shoot them!
And I know you didn't mean any disrespect

[butterfield]

Originally Posted by thundermuffin

No you are totally right about those odds!

I was watching that and my only thought was that the 109's were just sitting there waiting for him to shoot them!
And I know you didn't mean any disrespect

haha yeah the show is a mix of good and bad...sometimes they due a good job trying to inform the layman other times it's oversimplified to the extent of looking absolutely rediculous. "here I am! shoot me please!"