oleg, you better hurry, RoF is releasing a ww-2 sim next

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by zapatista

we resolved that before in this same thread chivas, RoF is being sold as a full price normal game, and is roughly equal in price to most other flightsims.

have a look at these prices from one of the RoF "officially recommended sales points" in north america (http://www.fspilotshop.com/index.php...a5cd2c1a262cc3)



now that is a very different perspective, and not one that is openly recognised by the hysterical RoF fanboys that still keep pretending everything is perfect with RoF and whom with a cultish zeal keep trying to ignore all problems with it.

you and some other keen flightsimmers might see that as good enough reason to send the RoF devellopers some pocket money, and hope that enough will trickle in to keep them going a little while longer. this is of course presuming the RoF folks will actually use that breathing time to fix the main glaring current problems with it, rather then mainly work on other "for sale" addons or a next product of the same poor quality ( as i postulated could well be the case in starting this thread by indicating they are already working on a ww2 sim). your decision to support this for-sale-beta is a decision you are making on trust and hope, not based on fact or an obligation or garantee that RoF will ever have its main problems fixed, or that if they flop you will even still be able to play the game in its current form.

and RoF doesnt openly state that "pay us to finish this beta, this is not a full game" at the current sales points for their product either, and neither is it clearly labled on the product box when you look at the item ion the shop shelf, or on a website that sells it.

does it mean there are no positives in RoF, yes there are a couple

so should the average flightsimmer support RoF right now by buying it and seeing their $$$ payment as a virtual donation to the RoF team in the hope they will as a priority address its most glaring current problems ? no not in my opinion. one of the main reasons is that when the RoF project flops you will be left with absolutely nothing (your game wont even work in its flawed current form), and the fiasco itself will again give future flightsim ventures a reduced chance to get decent $$ backing for any similar products

there are some solutions to this, but looking at how RoF managed the whole project it is unlikely they can make the mental leap required to address those (so far we have had misleading information during devellopment, bait and switch marketing, taking the worst sales aspects from several game genres to solely focus on revenue income, and not having a core quality product at release time, premature release of an unfinished beta pretending it is a full product, not addressing the main complaints etc). there is no doubt some of the game FM DM and grafix people have talent, but they have been shafted by thier own marketing greaseballs, and the way it stands right now it is going the way of the dodo's (and extinct NZ flightless bird).

We never resolved anything in earlier posts.
In Canada I paid these amounts when the sims were released, not after they were in the bargain bin.

FSX Deluxe over $60 Canadian
OFF $50
IL-2 well over $50 for most installments ( IL-2, AEP, Pacific, FB, PE-2, IL-2 1946 )
CFS again well over $50 each for CFS1,2,3
EAW can't remember
ROWANs Battle of Britain over $50
BOB WOV over $50
ROF ......$39 Canadian is hardly full price.

Most of these sims were ok, but IMHO only two of them have a decent feel of flight and one of them is ROF.


There's nobody in these forms saying the sim perfect and ignoring the problems. Most everyone flying the sim, know its a WIP, and many are enjoying what content there is, understanding that the issues and content are being worked on. Will they be just adding paid content and not fixing bugs, not likely, as the people building the sim are enthusiasts not bean counters.

The only thing your right about is ROF is not a full game, but everyone knows that.

What you can't seem to grasp is this game is a Work in Progress, released early to generate funds, and the 39 dollar price tag reflects that. As a work in progress you can expect bugs and some missing contant will be added for free. Of course there will be paid content as well, how else do expect them to stay in business. We will likely pay as much for this sim series as we paid for other flight sim series depending on ROF's quality and longevity. This sim could generate a sustainable business or fail based the quality of the work. The existing ROF WIP is very good base to build on, and most simmers realise what it is.

Could the sim fail and you are left with nothing, yes, but the more likely scenario... the DRM would be lifted, and the community would work on the sim.

It would be interesting to see what people would think about DRM and other copy protection if it was their own project and monies on the line.