oleg, you better hurry, RoF is releasing a ww-2 sim next

[virre89]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Support means different things for each one. To some it is unconditional, to others it means "i'll buy if i like what i see". Both groups are needed for the survival of the flight sim genre, the first to fund the beta testing and bug hunting process, the second to press for improvements

Personally, I'm waiting for something like a "gold" version a few months down the line. One that possibly has proper multiplayer capabilities, more aircraft (both flyable and AI) and a well done single player campaign for a normal game price. A $40 admission fee to take part in an open beta doesn't cut it for me, no matter how good the FM/DM is, but that's just my personal opinion.

Also, a version that lets me choose if and when i want to install the latest patch and/or revert to a previous version, because sometimes patches break more than they fix. And most of all, a version that isn't dependant on a bunch of different ISP's working in unison for me to use a product i paid for. If i buy something i expect it to work regardless of what technical hiccups the server on the 5th hop from my local ISP to Amsterdam might be experiencing. It shouldn't be my problem, simple as that.

Maybe not all of this will be fixed according to my liking, but i expect some of it to be fixed before i get a copy. For example, maybe the new version has more aircraft and a well done dynamic campaign but the stupid DRM implementation remains, or vice versa. If half of my wishlist was being addressed i would probably pick it up.

At the state it is right now i feel i don't really want to get my hands on it. I fear i'll like so much the few things it does well, that i'll be even more frustrated at the total glaring omission of other important stuff and/or the not so user friendly customization process and DRM scheme

Your mileage may vary of course, but being primarily a WWII jockey i can certainly keep flying IL2 for a couple of years more, especially thanks to the unofficial add-ons made by the community. I wanted to get RoF initially before i found out about all the things i dislike, but even then i was just looking for something to keep me occupied until BoB:SoW. To me that means a more or less complete game that will work right out of the box in the sense a traditional combat flight sim is expected to. I'm looking for something to keep my mind off BoB:SoW for a while, not trade one anticipation with another waiting for new flyable biplanes, a proper campaign and bug fixes

Oh dear, you're gonna be waiting forever with those demands.. why not just go make the game yourself..

[Blackdog_kt]

Well, it's not my job and i certainly don't have a problem waiting. Just like i said, IL2 will be a fine companion for me for a couple of years more. If Neoqb comes up with something i like then i'm going to buy it, otherwise i'm not going to and wait for SoW:BoB, very simple really.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

It's definitely fun and it's something new. It just get's old a bit quickly

you've just summed it up pretty well, the problem is however that "thats all there is" and after a few days you have already seen its limitations. however nice it might look, its unfinished in much of its content and many of its game aspects (online play, stand alone missions, campaign, coop etc..)

now just remember that this has been sold to you at full game price, under the illusion that you would get a fully functional and completed product, which it clearly isnt

and from now on, just keep your wallet open, cause you are about to go on a long drawn out ride where they will keep stringing you allong to extract more and more money from you at each step.

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

but that's when we start playing online

except of course that this is EXTREMELY limited, no 24/7 dogfight servers for global players to meet on whenever they feel like playing their game, no decent campaigns, coops, or new series of missions to dld either.

now is that really the level of quality in a new flightsim product you will accept from all new flightsim products from now on ? i doubt it, or you have set your standards really low, and in many regards it is a significant step back from the good flightsims from the last 10 years (mig alley, falcon 4, ms-flightsim, il2 etc...)

now also compare what you have now to the long list of exiting features and content that in the last few years you were led to believe would be included, any sense of feeling conned or fooled by the old bait-and-switch trick yet ?

[Chivas]

zapatista

39 dollars isn't full sim price...I paid alot more for IL-2, OFF, CFS, and FSX, etc
The addon aircraft cockpits, FM, and DM's are cheap by any standard if you so chose to buy them.

I guess you missed "Rise of Flight Vision Statement" that indicates that ROF was released early to generate funds to continue development of the sim. All aspects of the sim will be improved over the life of the sim. I would image if you enjoy the sim the cost per hour of usage will be measured in pennies. Hardly a deal breaker.

Chivas

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

you've just summed it up pretty well, the problem is however that "thats all there is" and after a few days you have already seen its limitations. however nice it might look, its unfinished in much of its content and many of its game aspects (online play, stand alone missions, campaign, coop etc..)

now just remember that this has been sold to you at full game price, under the illusion that you would get a fully functional and completed product, which it clearly isnt

and from now on, just keep your wallet open, cause you are about to go on a long drawn out ride where they will keep stringing you allong to extract more and more money from you at each step.



except of course that this is EXTREMELY limited, no 24/7 dogfight servers for global players to meet on whenever they feel like playing their game, no decent campaigns, coops, or new series of missions to dld either.

now is that really the level of quality in a new flightsim product you will accept from all new flightsim products from now on ? i doubt it, or you have set your standards really low, and in many regards it is a significant step back from the good flightsims from the last 10 years (mig alley, falcon 4, ms-flightsim, il2 etc...)

now also compare what you have now to the long list of exiting features and content that in the last few years you were led to believe would be included, any sense of feeling conned or fooled by the old bait-and-switch trick yet ?

Says the guy, who don't own the game and seemed to know everything 1 year ahead of everyone..lmao

We where well aware of what we were getting Neoqb haven't fooled anybody on purpose. IL2 consists of many expansions and updates, stop comparing it to RoF it's just ridiculous besides IL2 doesn't really have the proper tools for multiplayer either... it utilize a 3rd party tool for server browsing, something that would leave a lot of players out of the online community.

And IL2 wasn't exactly rich on content at initial release either.

[JG52Uther]

I wonder,neoqb showed a lot of stuff which looked totally finished when Rof was called KoTs.Did they take it all out just so they could sell it as add ons?
Imagine Oleg releasing SoW with one flyable 109 and one flyable hurricane,no campaign,very limited SP,broken MP (can't host behind a router,just go in DMZ and open all your ports to the world,don't worry...),and a dead environment.
Then said don't worry,everything else you need will be available to purchase at the store soon.
I think RoF looks good,but will not buy it until it is improved by several patches to bring it up to something other than a beta,and an early beta at that.
Everyone raves about the DM of RoF.Screenshots of,and reports of planes flying around with no wings,or most of the wings gone don't impress me that much.Planes crashing from hundreds of feet and just doing a little bounce on impact,and looking a little crumpled???

What is it with the fanboiism of RoF? Are the people who brought it slightly embarrassed about it,and need to keep defending their purchase,even though deep down they know its not good enough just now?
Visit simhq and if you complain about RoF,even people who brought the game,get ripped to pieces.Then again some of the fanbois appear to be on the neoqb payroll,and belittling anybody who dares to complain seems to be a valid tactic of defence.
Some even purport to speak for the developers (they are working on ....... and ..... now,so shut up etc) but that seems to be a trend that infects a lot of forums these days.

[Chivas]

JG52Uther if your not interested in supporting ROF at the moment and prefer to voice your inexplicable wonder at those that do, its your choice. We all understand that the sim is unfinished and has bugs and anomilies but the community can see that the ROF team is talented and could use our support. Especially in the early stages of development in these tough economic times. If the community withheld their support, I have no doubt there would be considerable pressure to close the doors. We have too few talented combat flight sim developers to let that happen. Thirty-nine dollars is a very cheap investment in the possiblity of much greater things to come. Although I realise that quite a few people have there own financial problems and can't afford to invest in an unfinished sim.

Luckily it appears that many in the flight sim community are able to support the sim, and it should give the company enough of a financial boost to continue development to a stage where it could attract many more gamers.

Its not like early adopters are having to wait for the sim to flesh out. There is huge entertaiment value in what there is in the sim now, and it gives me something to do until SOW comes out.

Chivas

[ElAurens]

If you look at my early posts at SimHQ, I was very enthusiastic about RoF.

I still am in some ways.

The flight modeling is very good indeed, as are the aircraft models.

However, after flying it for a while now the new has worn off and the problems are becoming very apparent. My most recent posts at SimHQ reflect this experience with the sim.

You can agree with the business model or not, I'm not getting wrapped up in that debate, but no one can tell me that all is well and that the unicorns and rainbows are there for all to see. The rabid fanboism at SimHQ is out of control. If you are an onliner and post about problems with the multiplayer aspects of the sim your comments are brushed off as trivial gamer talk. Only "serious" off line players can have valid observations there it seems.

I want RoF to succeed. It has tremendous potential.

But right now the emperor has no clothes, and the fan boys are blind as a bat.

[Feuerfalke]

That's true, zapatista.

Considering neoqb has to maintain online servers 24/7 for all their stuff it makes you wonder why they don't have some official servers running for their customers.

[Chivas]

It does surprise me that Neoqb doesn't have dedicated servers running for their customers. I could be because the code hasn't been optimized enough to run effectively with large groups of players. It doesn't bother me at this point as I usually like to learn the aircraft and practice shooting skills before venturing on-line.