Been a while....

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Hi everyone, err.....I just remembered why I don't participate much in online discussions, particularly ones in which no consensus, or anything even approaching it will ever be reached. They almost inevitibly descend into petty name calling and childish playground **** slinging from otherwise intelligent grown Men who really should know better, and whilst sometimes it can be quite amusing, it gets old very quick. "And never the twain shall meet".

I've been playing IL-2 for 6 years, so hardly a newcomer. I have been reading the Ubi Forums for about the same. Bearcat, you are pretty much the voice of reason in my opinion, and make usually make a valid, cogent and articulate argument....In the case of mods no exception. As some guy from Minnesota once said, "The Times they are a changing", either roll with it or roll over, your choice. I respect the views of the naysayers, and see where they are coming from, but bottom line is you don't like them then don't use them. The prophesied "Online apocalypse" never happened. Is Nostradamus in the house? Maybe 2012? LMAO. I have two installs, one 4.08 Vanilla, and modded 4.09b1 beta. I play the former exclusively online CRT=2, mods for single player only. The mods as Bearcat rightly points out are in the VAST majority aesthetic and will not turn a bad pilot into an ace. They will however, enhance enjoyment of a title which despite its faults is the best WWII combat simulation there has ever been, to date. Whilst many are in fact rubbish, there are many which are a VAST improvement. Fact. Nothing lasts forever, every thing is in flux.

RE: Cheaters.....they will always be amongst us, bad apples are one of lifes constants and nothing will change in that regard. Call me an optimist or naive, but I truly believe that the OVERWHELMING majority of this community are decent and honourable people, who would never resort to such a low thing. While they of course exist, they remain a pathetic minority. In fact I KNOW it.

But there you go, my Ha'penny. On a lighter note.....all the best to everybody for the New Year, and I hope you all have a good one!!!

~S~ Take care people.

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SaQSoN::

If you stink - you stink. It's a fact and it's stupid to deny it. And, it's a duty of your co-citizen to remind you about basic hygiene. So, I am with the senator on this. Wash yourself often, America!

True true. Well you got me there. I can't argue that one.

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JG52::

This will run for a hundred pages,get more and more abusive,and in the end everyone will be back where they started.

Not quite. The larger evolution of all the mega-threads over time on the various "official" forums (not mod forums) shows Oleg's customers gaining greater confidence.

Last year the rather mature FB/PF community at the Simhq actually shouted down the snotty behaving members that were attacking those interested in the hack mods. Interestingly, when Oleg was forced out of ubi.com (from lack of moderation), he went to the more mod-friendly Simhq community. Its interesting how it all works out as social behavior.

Think playground behavior with a few bullies among the kids, and the kids finally take down the bullies. The *only* difference is the consequences of snotty behavior are not realized like they are on the street or playground, so the snotty anti-mod behavior keeps going and going like Duracell Bunny, although it slowly winds down as some of the bullies finally stop bullying and enjoy their no-mod sim, or they go mod, or leave the sim, leaving fewer bullies behind.

Think about it. You run down the street calling large numbers of people "cheaters." You do this one time. You never do it again.

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Bear (last page)::

In a way I think that perhaps it is better that the sim got hacked rather than Oleg opening it up. Had he opened it up officially he would have had to offer support for that too...

Wow. I must disagree, but realize I'm thinking of what "could have been" had Oleg opened the sim a long way back, when FB was still young, and so supporting mod tools would be a good way of expanding the sim and customer base while the sim was still young, while Oleg focused more on expanding his totally unbeatable game engine. Alot of people asked for just this "approved" modding ability years ago, but were harassed at ubi.com by the bullies. The result is the current popularity of the hack modding today which seems to have no Oleg support. You know...the Road Not Taken and all.

[Wolf_Rider]

...so Oleg just got kicked to the curb instead, eh?

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

...so Oleg just got kicked to the curb instead, eh?

Oleg is probably losing less sleep over it than you are.
Seriously,go outside in the fresh air and take a deep breath.

[Wolf_Rider]

Perhaps you could take your own advice?