Been a while....

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by jermin

While most of the mods do enhance the overall quality of IL2, it is ture that the weapon mods and FM mods totally destroy the online play.

What weapon and FM mods? I'm sure they're out there but I've never seen them and never seen them used online.

[JG52Uther]

I thought all this talk finished months ago?
The vast majority of the most vociferous anti modders are now using mods as well!
As for the ubi forum,my personal opinion is that when all mention of mods was banned,the forum started to die,as that was/is the ONLY thing happening now in il2.
I thought offensive language and personal attacks were banned there anyway,so anyone doing it should not expect any degree of protection from a moderator when they do it,no matter who they are.The fact they used to get away with it is not a good reflection on how the forum used to be moderated by some ex mods.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I thought all this talk finished months ago?
The vast majority of the most vociferous anti modders are now using mods as well!
As for the ubi forum,my personal opinion is that when all mention of mods was banned,the forum started to die,as that was/is the ONLY thing happening now in il2.
I thought offensive language and personal attacks were banned there anyway,so anyone doing it should not expect any degree of protection from a moderator when they do it,no matter who they are.The fact they used to get away with it is not a good reflection on how the forum used to be moderated by some ex mods.

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[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

What weapon and FM mods? I'm sure they're out there but I've never seen them and never seen them used online.

About the only thing I've seen in the form of a Weapons mod is to change out the belting on ALL airplanes to include APIT on those that carried it. That includes both Allied and German planes.

In terms of some guy using MK108 .50 cals I have yet to see anything like that.

[choctaw111]

Even in the modding community, weapons and FM mods are a big no no. The mods are meant to enhance the enjoyability and realism of Il2, nothing more.
As far as cheaters are concerned, I am sure there are some. Name me ONE game that someone has not found a way to exploit something and have an unfair advantage over others.
I have friends, good friends who use this mod, and in no way do I question their integrity.
There is even a Unified Installer that automatically installs the best mods. This way many people can fly together in a server and know they are using the same stuff.

[Rama]

Originally Posted by choctaw111

Even in the modding community, weapons and FM mods are a big no no.

In the only modding "community" YOU know... but there are many modding communities, and very actives, some of them offering "mods" for weapons and FM.
.... each of these communities generally pretending they follow the "right way", with the best possible documentation, ect... and also explaining ont their own forums that the other communities are just amateurs....

Just as in any usual modding mess...

IL2 online is almost dead... not because of cheating... but because almost nobody plays the same game.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Rama

In the only modding "community" YOU know... but there are many modding communities, and very actives, some of them offering "mods" for weapons and FM.
.... each of these communities generally pretending they follow the "right way", with the best possible documentation, ect... and also explaining ont their own forums that the other communities are just amateurs....

Just as in any usual modding mess...

IL2 online is almost dead... not because of cheating... but because almost nobody plays the same game.

Certainly there is alot of truth to what you say. As well, I bet many files are shared via e-mail to friends amoung friends. My biggest hope is that SOW will be left un-touched by peoples wanting to correct, or make it better...I hope that it has a long on-line life, without these problems

[Chivas]

Off-line play will never compare to organized on-line wars until the AI can compete and communicate with human players. I don't see the AI becoming that good for sometime.

Some of the mods are interesting with decent maps but they will always be limited by the IL-2 engine. Il-2 will soon be a small part of the community when ROF and SOW are released in the new year. Most modders will move on to the more comprehensive modding tools of the new engines.

[JG52Uther]

Hyperlobby dead? Still a 1000 people on it when I'm on,same as there has always been.

And,just one example Saqson,do you really think the official 1C P47 cockpit is better/more accurate than the modded one?

[LEXX]

Rama::

IL2 online is almost dead... not because of cheating... but because almost nobody plays the same game.

Hint -- they may not wish to play with you. I always said online play is *nothing* more than social interaction. Yough BEAR you remember that. Mods have allowed people to freely associate and break free from the snotty behaving "online" gamer minority that was allowed to dominate the ubi forums for years. You see the same behavior in playground bullies, and then you see them get "mad" when their rule over the playground is threatened. Basic behavior seen in children and poorly socialized adults.