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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 09-30-2012, 11:50 PM
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Ilya,
Thanks for answering my question, which was really none of my business to know, but you were kind enough to answer anyway.

Also, I am extremely grateful to see the clouds' shadows in the RC patch. Best of luck with the sequel!
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:01 AM
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What a bloody joke.

Luthier, allow me to say that your attitude is not justifiable in any way shape or form, as a manager, as someone who's passionate about flight sims and as a man.

You failed to deliver a complete product, you conned most of us into believing that things would have been fixed, and now you're basically saying "hey this is what it is, so just take it and wait for the next chapter" which most of us don't even care for, since it's a theatre of action that honestly appeals just one market, the Russian one.

No matter how smart you might feel, the reality is that you've done a great deal of damage to the work that Oleg made over the years, building up a fan base and interacting, even arguing, with people, to deliver a good sim. You haven't been able to use the vast resources (50 people!) that you had to make a complete, half decent job, how can you even begin to justify that?

It was just a botched job, and your "sandbox" explanation doesn't just work(sandbox based on what, on a product that's not even stable for everybody??), not after all the time we had to wait, not after seeing more and more people getting disheartened and moving on. I'm sorry, but you really failed as a leader of such an important project for the IL-2 Sturmovik series, and even if you think people will get back for the new chapter, it still remains that you betrayed the good faith of most of us by delivering a half finished, buggy job on such an important aerial warfare scenario.

I don't really have much else to say, I knew this day would have come, I hope you all the best for the future, but rest assured you won't be seeing a penny from me anymore, and I surely won't do you any good publicity.

You've damaged your best asset, your customers, don't ever forget it.

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:23 AM
5./JG27.Farber 5./JG27.Farber is offline
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Fight fire with fire?

For all those people who complain heavily... if there was no IL2 future, would you have won? Would you benifit from the poor performance of IL2:Clod? Would we do without IL2 as a future? What we you all go on to in the future without a WWII combat flight sim?

RoF? - Not WWII
DCS? - Only two aircraft?

It might not be 100% But what else is there? Either you support it and it grows or... Train simulator?

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:59 AM
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Thank you, wonderful analogy. This is exactly how I feel.

I see no reason to be polite to people who are going out of their way to be rude to me.

The game sold two and half copies in the last month and had 74 returns (I just pulled those numbers out of thin air by the way). Honestly, if I just replied witha picture of me mooning and flipping off the questions thread, the net result would be pretty much the same.

The situation sucks. I see no reason to sugarcoat it with bull. I don't want to go make empty promises or try to prove that black is white. We released a faulty game. We did more than even seemed possible to fix its faults and add improvements, but in the end it was not enough. There has to come a point where we begin to focus on the future, and Cliffs of Dover just becomes something we can all learn from.

I am sincerely very sorry we didn't do enough to keep you guys happy. Everyone in the team feels exactly the same way.
Well said. The original post was very welcome also. Looking forward to your next one. Also, as an off-line player, I have good FPS and don't expereience many of the problems discussed in this forum, so have found this sim most enjoyable. Looking forward to the sequel.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:13 AM
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Fight fire with fire?

For all those people who complain heavily... if there was no IL2 future, would you have won? Would you benifit from the poor performance of IL2:Clod? Would we do without IL2 as a future? What we you all go on to in the future without a WWII combat flight sim?

RoF? - Not WWII
DCS? - Only two aircraft?

It might not be 100% But what else is there? Either you support it and it grows or... Train simulator?
Well, apart for the fact that one's life shouldn't gravitate around this, it still remains that the end product was a botched job and we've been feed bs for more than a year, don't you agree? You feel it's the right thing to keep on feeding the same machine if some things don't change?

I'm not questioning the potential here, I'm questioning the very very poor managing and comms that sent all this wonderful potential wasted. My concern is not in the skills of the team, but on the managing, obviously something hasn't worked somewhere, and in any professional environment when something gets screwed up it's the managers that get roasted.
If the managing issue is not solved, you might still see the same issues happening with the future products.

As per alternatives, I tell you what, I'm having a way more rewarding experience flying with the modded IL-2 1946 at the moment, cos those underdog modding guys are s******g diamonds for free.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:16 AM
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luthier Thanks for being a man. an finally answering some QaA. HOPEFULLY we can get the major bugs out of the way. With the RC patch , but this one did not hit the mark ie planes not starting etc . We all know the amount of bugs an problems , BUT will also give you credit for some things ie. some sounds sky sun dot distance etc. some very good steps foreward , still a ways to go . I do believe alot of the problems could have stopped alot sooner if you would have posted. Even the guys that go over the top must think there is still something here ! or why the passion in thier posts? But we really need planes that will start . It is killing the game . I accept your apology But man you got to get it right . 10 mins. of your time verses 15 pages of spewing venom .
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Hope we get a hotfix patch for:

1) Online Hurricanes not starting. Strong interest in creating an online spawning option for aircraft idling with engines warmed up -- exactly like Single Player/Quick Missions/Cross Country. Would reproduce realistic Battle of Britain scenario where it was the mechanics starting the engines at 3:30 a.m. while the BoB pilots were being awakened by their batmen with steaming cups of hot tea. Thet NEVER spent 5 minutes starting up and warming their engines during a scramble. There was a war on!

2) Spitfire 1a_100 octane and Spitfire 2a engines losing power, sputtering, wild rpm swings at 18,000 feet. Possibly same with Hurricane MK 1_100 octane as well. Mixture problem? Don't know but needs urgent fixing.

3) SLI support. SLI users report CTD unless SLI disabled.

I'm hoping that a quick "hotfix" patch could be released ASAP for, to many players, are gamestoppers with this beta 1.09 Release Candidate.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:24 AM
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but hey you know what? Who am I telling this to? I said it months ago that this fix would have happened nor the product would have been finished, cos all the signs were there and all the people in good faith here kept on dissing my opinion and the one of other skeptical folks like me.

It's called denial, and it's the same denial that brought Luthier to this sorry state.

I'm saying this now, 1st October 2012, CoD won't ever be fixed, not even after the release of the new sim, and just like this one, the new one will have loads of bugs, because by the way Luthier explained things, it really sounds like the whole game engine is just a bit patched up, unstable mess that is not giving the hoped results in terms of FM.

But hey, feel free to say I'm wrong, cos I'm actually the first one to say I hope I am! So far ALL my predictions happened though, let's not forget that while to most of us this is a hobby, some here are making a living out of it, and if you look at it under a professional point of view it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that things are going really bad at Maddox Games.

I hate myself for having to write this, cos I followed and supported this sim from the very beginning, I was probably the first person to play it in Italy and to create the first Italian community, and I ALWAYS vouched for it, but since the change in the line managing things have gone bad.

Some people should just step down and change job, not only because they lack skills, but because they really need to work on their attitude, as a professional and as a businessman dealing with customers.

That's it, I'm done with this topic.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:26 AM
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Plea to the moderators;

Sternjaeger has come out of the pilot's lounge. It can only be downhill from here.

Please, in the interests of good manners and decorum, close this thread before it gets ugly.

I thank you profusely.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:26 AM
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Here is a very sad video on the story of the Kee Bird. For those who need "closure".

Wow. Thanks for posting that mate. How devastated would you be. I couldn't believe the ending.
I appreciate the relevance too mate. Just hope it's not as dramatic.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:34 AM
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Plea to the moderators;

Sternjaeger has come out of the pilot's lounge. It can only be downhill from here.

Please, in the interests of good manners and decorum, close this thread before it gets ugly.

I thank you profusely.
I said I'm done with this topic,it's your childish post that is bringing things down. There was nothing rude about my post,just the opinion of a customer and former fan. Rest assured this thread will be locked soon anyway.
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