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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 09-30-2012, 11:50 PM
baronWastelan baronWastelan is offline
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Ilya,
Thanks for answering my question, which was really none of my business to know, but you were kind enough to answer anyway.

Also, I am extremely grateful to see the clouds' shadows in the RC patch. Best of luck with the sequel!
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:01 AM
Sternjaeger II Sternjaeger II is offline
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What a bloody joke.

Luthier, allow me to say that your attitude is not justifiable in any way shape or form, as a manager, as someone who's passionate about flight sims and as a man.

You failed to deliver a complete product, you conned most of us into believing that things would have been fixed, and now you're basically saying "hey this is what it is, so just take it and wait for the next chapter" which most of us don't even care for, since it's a theatre of action that honestly appeals just one market, the Russian one.

No matter how smart you might feel, the reality is that you've done a great deal of damage to the work that Oleg made over the years, building up a fan base and interacting, even arguing, with people, to deliver a good sim. You haven't been able to use the vast resources (50 people!) that you had to make a complete, half decent job, how can you even begin to justify that?

It was just a botched job, and your "sandbox" explanation doesn't just work(sandbox based on what, on a product that's not even stable for everybody??), not after all the time we had to wait, not after seeing more and more people getting disheartened and moving on. I'm sorry, but you really failed as a leader of such an important project for the IL-2 Sturmovik series, and even if you think people will get back for the new chapter, it still remains that you betrayed the good faith of most of us by delivering a half finished, buggy job on such an important aerial warfare scenario.

I don't really have much else to say, I knew this day would have come, I hope you all the best for the future, but rest assured you won't be seeing a penny from me anymore, and I surely won't do you any good publicity.

You've damaged your best asset, your customers, don't ever forget it.

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:23 AM
5./JG27.Farber 5./JG27.Farber is offline
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Fight fire with fire?

For all those people who complain heavily... if there was no IL2 future, would you have won? Would you benifit from the poor performance of IL2:Clod? Would we do without IL2 as a future? What we you all go on to in the future without a WWII combat flight sim?

RoF? - Not WWII
DCS? - Only two aircraft?

It might not be 100% But what else is there? Either you support it and it grows or... Train simulator?

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Old 10-01-2012, 01:13 AM
Sternjaeger II Sternjaeger II is offline
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Fight fire with fire?

For all those people who complain heavily... if there was no IL2 future, would you have won? Would you benifit from the poor performance of IL2:Clod? Would we do without IL2 as a future? What we you all go on to in the future without a WWII combat flight sim?

RoF? - Not WWII
DCS? - Only two aircraft?

It might not be 100% But what else is there? Either you support it and it grows or... Train simulator?
Well, apart for the fact that one's life shouldn't gravitate around this, it still remains that the end product was a botched job and we've been feed bs for more than a year, don't you agree? You feel it's the right thing to keep on feeding the same machine if some things don't change?

I'm not questioning the potential here, I'm questioning the very very poor managing and comms that sent all this wonderful potential wasted. My concern is not in the skills of the team, but on the managing, obviously something hasn't worked somewhere, and in any professional environment when something gets screwed up it's the managers that get roasted.
If the managing issue is not solved, you might still see the same issues happening with the future products.

As per alternatives, I tell you what, I'm having a way more rewarding experience flying with the modded IL-2 1946 at the moment, cos those underdog modding guys are s******g diamonds for free.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:03 PM
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You failed to deliver a complete product, you conned most of us into believing that things would have been fixed, and now you're basically saying "hey this is what it is, so just take it and wait for the next chapter" which most of us don't even care for, since it's a theatre of action that honestly appeals just one market, the Russian one.
Hm?
Honestly, I don't give a flying F about early 109s and Spits anymore - I'm looking forward to 190s and Yaks.

btw: How are they supposed to finance further patching? I'm actually suprised they went this far.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:16 PM
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and luthier, what about community sponsored aircrafts? there might be enough volunteers to work/pay for some extra BoB not planned aircrafts, like the wellington.
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