Spit/109 sea level speed comparisons in 1.08 beta patch

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Originally Posted by bongodriver

How exactly?

Well let's start with the fact that it turns better already at 400 kph. Everything Spit does, the 109 can do better at these speeds.

the Spit wil still be able to turn at a higher rate of turn but it won't maintain that speed,

That's an unsustained turn. What you forget that in an unsustained turn, the 109 will still loose less speed than the Spit at high speeds, because the basics (=more excess thrust) did not change.

if it's behind the 109 it will keep it in it's sights and if its ahead the 109 won't get a bead and will just whizz past,

If it's behind the 109 and slows down to match the turn the 109 will get out of range quickly and the 109 will be at superior E state.. if the 109 is behind yes the 109 will just wizz past, and at a superior E state. Then cat-and-mouse begins...

you must realize the Spit will have a better 'rate' of turn than the 109 at all speeds.

Simply no. At high speeds it cannot mach the 109 sustained turn, and it will loose more speed in an unsustained turn if the 109 also goes to unsustained turn.

You see the turn rate advantage is only there if the 109 maintains a sustained turn and the Spit goes for an unsustained turn -> superior E for the 109 and you do not want to fight a 109 with

And unfortunately the Spit cannot beat the 109 at high speed in unsustained turns either. The 109 can match an unsustained turn at any time AND loose less speed in the process. If the pilot has his wits about him he will take advantage of this and use the superior E before speed gets really slow where it's Spitfire territory.

The slower Spitfire (at +6) cannot match the faster 109 (any plane) at high speed turns. At least, not for long.