British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by kristorf

.......We nearly all bought CLoD on the (badly placed) assumption that it would actually work as it said on the box.

Christ........


Yet you are here making your point, but you don't have any personal experience yourself.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon

+100% The engine overheating is waaay overcooked, especially in the Spitfire II; the real Merlin XIIs and subsequent variants had a completely revised cooling system using 70% H20 and 30% Glycol, leading to a great improvement in the engine's thermal characteristics - with the 100% glycol the Merlin III always ran hotter and the gaskets had a much shorter life. There is plenty of info out there - perhaps time to launch a legitimate bug report.

I don't see any documentation - aka "plenty of info" - here, just the usual specualtion that everything was purrrfect - especially when the said idea comes from a "contributor" who never even have had tried the actual thing in the sim.

The issue may be still legit, but without knowing what were the real cooling properties of the Spitfire Mk. I/II and what are the cooling properties as modelled in Clod compared to the real thing, we are just wasting time.

[Osprey]

I take it you are back from a ban? Please don't hijack this thread, I know you will find that impossible though, and I do believe that you said you don't fly COD either.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

I don't see any documentation - aka "plenty of info" - here, just the usual specualtion that everything was purrrfect - especially when the said idea comes from a "contributor" who never even have had tried the actual thing in the sim.

The issue may be still legit, but without knowing what were the real cooling properties of the Spitfire Mk. I/II and what are the cooling properties as modelled in Clod compared to the real thing, we are just wasting time.

The 109 have not a such problem, open the cooling flaps, and fly until out of fuel. We can using the notleistung any time, any altitude (ok, over 4K it have no effect, because of the limit of the compressor).

But i want to say some word of the tactics. It's no rocket science, who is higher, who have more energy in the fight, who surprises the other, he have great chance to win the combat. If one of the opponents have 500m, 1000m advantage, nobody cares the climb rate, or the top speeds, it's just shaded the image, but the end result is not significantly affected. No matter which plane are on the top, and the bottom (As we saw on SOWC, many 109 was shot down, if the Reds suprised us). A lot of old SpitIIa was shot down as well, but that aircraft was much better than any other plane in the Clod history. But you can't make a machine what would help on the idiot, or lazy tactic (my favorite the Repka, when the Spit pull the stick like an idiot, open full flap, almost stall, and he asked after went down "how can the 109 turn better than mee?Crappy FM, i want old IIa, Fuuuuu"... Geez...

Robo. On the repka the majority of air kills get from suprise. Once we should try in 1v1 (common 1v1 rules) of the planes against each other. Couple of days ago we turning off the CEM on my server (we practicing with a few beginners). The Spit 100 octane climb more than the 109, I only blinked. Seems, the Spit have much more performance, but the current CEM allow only less (so it's a CEM issue, not FM issue).

[ATAG_Snapper]

VO101_Tom:

" Couple of days ago we turning off the CEM on my server (we practicing with a few beginners). The Spit 100 octane climb more than the 109, I only blinked. Seems, the Spit have much more performance, but the current CEM allow only less (so it's a CEM issue, not FM issue)."

That is a huge observation! TBH, I've never even tried flying without CEM -- nor most of us online fliers, I would bet. This bears further study -- for all aircraft.

Great post.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

TomvatVIP wrote:

" Couple of days ago we turning off the CEM on my server (we practicing with a few beginners). The Spit 100 octane climb more than the 109, I only blinked. Seems, the Spit have much more performance, but the current CEM allow only less (so it's a CEM issue, not FM issue)."

That is a huge observation! TBH, I've never even tried flying without CEM -- nor most of us online fliers, I would bet. This bears further study -- for all aircraft.

Great post.

Another Tom

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Another Tom

Oh gosh, still on my first morning coffee. Sorry Tom -- edited my post accordingly.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

TBH, I've never even tried flying without CEM -- nor most of us online fliers, I would bet. This bears further study -- for all aircraft.

We switch back the CEM after a short time, because of the minor Emil PP issue (accidentally switch down) become serious, because the PP can't andustable manually if CEM off. But right, it worth a try.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Oh wow. Does this mean that when the devs say that 'performance is in the envelope', it's when the AI programme is controlling engine management?

Or even the whole aircraft?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hmmm, sounds that way, Dutch. Based on Tom's observations and your comment, it's like yes -- the correct FM's are there for all aircraft. It's as if CEM is correctly modelled (for prop pitch, at least) in the 109's -- hence their better performance with CEM turned on. The 109's prop pitch sounds incorrectly modelled when CEM is turned off.

A different story for the RAF aircraft though - the FM's are "fine" for RAF with CEM turned off, but hampered when CEM is turned on. In the RAF planes' case, it may or may not be the prop pitch modelling at fault, but perhaps more the Merlin horsepower setting that get pooched. Dunno. Someone else noted, that I concur with, is that the Spitfire's (all marks) acceleration and take off roll is way off. It takes forever to get up to rotation speed. (Just watch the A2A Wings of Power 3 Spitfire video demo on prop design/prop pitch that talks about just that. Better yet, fly the itself -- it's breath taking how fast the A2A Spit lifts off).

These are just a layman's observations. I have no documents on this, nor am I going to spend time on this trying to find any. Clearly there will be a chart or graph out there that will clearly show what I see with my own two eyes is all wrong, anyway. Except I'm not.