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Old 07-30-2012, 10:03 AM
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ok,which is it Zorin?

1) you are a homo
2) you are a female
3) you are alien poeple visiting from another planet

cuz, that statement...like a "kick me" sign on your back.
This forum sure has seen many uneducated and prejudiced posts, but this passes the line with a big margin. You really should apologize for a post like this.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:39 AM
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This forum sure has seen many uneducated and prejudiced posts, but this passes the line with a big margin. You really should apologize for a post like this.
I would have to agree, it shows his maturity level is probably not high enough to have a grown up discussion about a topic like this....

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a lot of statistics on murder rates don't take into account how the felony was perpetrated, gun-whiners give it for granted that it was a gun crime, that tells a lot about their bias..
So people who disagree with your views (and that is what they are, not facts) are whiners.... Also very mature.

I own guns, but we never used assault rifles or 100 round magazines for hunting. I can understand why restricting or limiting purchase of these weapons and magazines seems reasonable as their apparent function is only to kill humans.
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Old 07-30-2012, 11:01 AM
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I would have to agree, it shows his maturity level is probably not high enough to have a grown up discussion about a topic like this....

So people who disagree with your views (and that is what they are, not facts) are whiners.... Also very mature.

I own guns, but we never used assault rifles or 100 round magazines for hunting. I can understand why restricting or limiting purchase of these weapons and magazines seems reasonable as their apparent function is only to kill humans.
It's that I'm sick and tired of people that complain about gun ownership, as if that is the real problem behind violence, and not the totally lost values of modern societies.

A 100 rounds magazine is surely OTT, and frankly it's just a useless piece of accessory(I don't understand people that like slaughtering their barrels by shooting that much in a row), but how is that different from owning ten 10 rounds magazines? A trained Car-15 owner can easily reload his rifle in less than 7 seconds.

"Assault rifle" is only a designation, an MP-44 is one, but it's also an extremely sought after collectable WW2 firearm, shall we ban it just cos it can cycle rounds on a semiauto mode?

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Old 07-30-2012, 11:27 AM
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It's that I'm sick and tired of people that complain about gun ownership, as if that is the real problem behind violence, and not the totally lost values of modern societies.
I understand and agree, but it was the whiners thing that actually made me have to post... (and what MadBlaster said, but I don't expect him to have a reasonable discussion on the issue).

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A 100 rounds magazine is surely OTT, and frankly it's just a useless piece of accessory(I don't understand people that like slaughtering their barrels by shooting that much in a row), but how is that different from owning ten 10 rounds magazines? A trained Car-15 owner can easily reload his rifle in less than 7 seconds.
The reload time gives people more of a chance to shoot back. (I don't know what OTT means) Spree shooters are often not trained gun owners and may take a bit longer to reload than you do. The kid in Aurora (I live in Aurora BTW and lost a co-worker in the shooting) was not some ex-military badass... he was a pissed off psychopath with no combat experience so his reload time would have been much slower (didn't he jam his assault rifle?).

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"Assault rifle" is only a designation, an MP-44 is one, but it's also an extremely sought after collectable WW2 firearm, shall we ban it just cos it can cycle rounds on a semiauto mode?
Possibly (I am only vaguely familiar with the 1st assault rifle so I'm not trying to duck the question but it's 526am here and I don't wanna preach about something I am not terribly familiar with), but I don't believe that the MP-44 is being used in a ton of home invasions and crimes. The truth of the matter is that there are limits to the firearms we can legally own (in the USA) so it's really just a matter of where the line is drawn. Some see a waiting period or a background check as an affront to their freedom/liberty others see it as important for the public good. Honestly if someone needs a gun today... RIGHT NOW!!!! they probably should have to wait a few days to get it.

I am ok with waiting periods, background checks, & limiting the magazine size (I get that you think the mag size is irrelevant - we can disagree on that). are you against a reasonable waiting period and background check (even at gun shows)?

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Old 07-30-2012, 11:36 AM
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Over The Top.... Just figured it out.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:15 PM
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The reload time gives people more of a chance to shoot back. (I don't know what OTT means) Spree shooters are often not trained gun owners and may take a bit longer to reload than you do. The kid in Aurora (I live in Aurora BTW and lost a co-worker in the shooting) was not some ex-military badass... he was a pissed off psychopath with no combat experience so his reload time would have been much slower (didn't he jam his assault rifle?).
That's the point, someone who's not an expert will get a 100 rounds magazine and think he won't have problems with it, but those things are prone to jamming and the continuous shooting with no breaking can overheat and jam the gun as well (a good quality Car-15 won't, but there are many replicas, Norinco above all, that are not worth the materials they're made of..).

He was just a deluded individual who fed himself with FPS games and that was left alone long enough to become that dangerous. Maybe we should look at that, maybe we should consider that the path to reach that sort of derangement is not an overnight spark, but often made of months, years of isolation.

As for the other posts after yours, I would like to say again that I am for a more intelligent and strict control on firearm licenses, not for giving them to everybody. And feel free to believe in fairy tales, if with GDR you're referring to Germany Democratic Republic, they overcame only cos Russia crumbled, otherwise they'd still be living the commie dream and spying each other under the Stasi.

If that horrible assault happened in Texas or Alabama you can rest assured that someone in the public would have been armed and could have put a couple of rounds in the idiot's head..
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:18 PM
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The UN has no authority here. They can only ask. Life will go on as usual and guns and clips will be extra bountiful tomorrow. The US doesn't have to abide by anything related to the UN. We didn't elect them. That is settled.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:20 PM
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Almost 8000 people die in automobile accidents during the first 3 months of 2011. That is a far more deadly tool. Ban the automobile!
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:02 PM
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funny read on an extremely serious topic... amazing that so many suffers from severe paranoia.

Comparing USA with countries by such as Syria and Libya, governed by dictators who willingly slaughters the population? Are you for real??

Btw....no one today is seriously arguing to take away all guns from homes in the States.. (and actually trying to do so would be a nightmare for anyone who cares about liberty and privacy, given that guns are stashed everywhere and may well outnumber people in America.) Instead, most proposals seek to regulate rather than prohibit--limiting the amount and type of ammunition, restricting the number of guns one can buy etc etc.

who needs a bloody machinegun!?!? I tell you who: crazy f**cs.

are you seriously promoting is should be this easy to buy a *** AK47???




if you think this guy is crazy, u need a reality check.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:08 PM
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funny read on an extremely serious topic... amazing that so many suffers from severe paranoia.

Comparing USA with countries by such as Syria and Libya, governed by dictators who willingly slaughters the population? Are you for real??
Well, there must be a common "iissue" that leads to a similar gun related death toll in those countries
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