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[Codex]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Nope what I am saying and said is these customers that say they are not going to buy the next 1C product or wait to buy the next 1C product are just saying it out of frustration and or in some weak attempt to get a rise out of someone.. They know deep down they don't mean it and that they will more than likly be first in line to buy the next 1C product.

S! Ace

I take exception to that, because I for one have said I wont buy the next chapter in this new series, and it's not because I want to get a rise out of someone.

What I want is to voice my stance to the "powers that be" that if they want me to part with my $$$ on this sim I want to make sure I'll be buying a "usable" product. I want to know that features that are advertised will be available when I march in to the store to pick up my copy.

The thing that I'm peeved off about, and most here I would assume, is the fact that on the day I picked up my $110 special edition of CloD, it didn't work, and as a result of that I wont be buying it the next chapter if BoM turns out to be the same. I'm a dedicated flight simer, since lucas arts SWOLW, but I'm no shmuk.

Don't get me wrong, for me it's not a matter of the cost, hell I'd be more that happy to pay double for a SE if I knew I would be getting what I pay for on the day, and I can live with bugs because I know (well can image at the very least) the challeges the devs have in front of them. But I reject the notiion that the paying customer should pay for product that isn't finished.

If the devs need money then adopt the model DCS have done with their beta programs. Offer a beta for a cost and then pay for additional a/c as time goes on. I'm happy with that beacuse I'm being informed upfront what I'm paying for.

Sorry if this all sounds a bit rough, but the constant bashing of people who voice their opinions because they're not happy is really getting old.

Do you honestly think there would be this much "whining" if the product actually worked?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Codex

S! Ace

I take exception to that, because I for one have said I wont buy the next chapter in this new series, and it's not because I want to get a rise out of someone.

Well first things you want to do is take note that I did not say everyone fits the discription I provided

Next thing you will want to take note of is I gave other reasons than trying to get a rise out of someone..

Only if the shoe fits should you take exception, and sence you said the shoe does not fit, not need for you to take exception

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Well first things you want to do is take note that I did not say everyone fits the discription I provided

Next thing you will want to take note of is I gave other reasons than trying to get a rise out of someone..

Only if the shoe fits should you take exception, and sence you said the shoe does not fit, not need for you to take exception

I'd like to say I wont buy the next one till I "wait and see" but who am I kidding... l love WWII air combat

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

I'd like to say I wont buy the next one till I "wait and see" but who am I kidding... l love WWII air combat

Exactally!

I mean it would be one thing if this was the mid 1990 aka the hey-day of PC flight sims..

Where we had choices in flight sims.. ala Dynamix (RB, AOTP, AOE), MICROPROSE (PAW1942, EAW), Spectrun Holobyte (Falcon 3.0), LucasArts (SWOTL), etc..

But we don't!

The hey-day of flight sims has long since passed..

Game makers and those who invest in games realised a long time ago that flight sims are a nitch market.. Read not alot of money to be made there..

Thus the only people who do them these days are those who just love what they do and know that there are a few who love what they do and will buy thier product, thus filling the nitch!

But I fear this CoD experance is going to drive away the few flight sim makers left in that the customers these days are far less willing to work with them like they were in the past and far more demanding and expect prefection when prefection can and never will be reached by anyone

[SiThSpAwN]

This experience will hurt the newcomers and casual crowd as far as flight sims go... I dont think the hardcore simmers can honestly say they will not buy the next sim (if any) from this group... they might be hesitant... but you know you want it lol....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

This experience will hurt the newcomers and casual crowd as far as flight sims go...

Agreed 100% on the casual crowd.. But if the new commers are 'flight simmers' as in soon to become hardcore types..

Than they will do as all have done over the past 20 years.. Buy it ASAP.. Oh sure some will say they will not buy it, or wait to buy it, but even they know deep down that they will more than likly be first in line to buy it.

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

I dont think the hardcore simmers can honestly say they will not buy the next sim (if any) from this group... they might be hesitant... but you know you want it lol....

Bingo!

[addman]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

This experience will hurt the newcomers and casual crowd as far as flight sims go... I dont think the hardcore simmers can honestly say they will not buy the next sim (if any) from this group... they might be hesitant... but you know you want it lol....

I know I will want it but can honestly say I won't buy BoM unless it's in a much better state at release than CloD was since it's basically just a continuation on the same engine it must be miles better by the time it's released right? As I stated before, this is a new team, new manager so I don't give them the benefit of the doubt that I would've given Oleg and Co, luthier and his teams track record isn't spectacular by any means so far. Prove me wrong luthier, create a spectacular sequel/add-on/MMO or whatever it will be and I will hurl money at you.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by addman

I know I will want it but can honestly say I won't buy BoM unless it's in a much better state at release than CloD was since it's basically just a continuation on the same engine it must be miles better by the time it's released right? As I stated before, this is a new team, new manager so I don't give them the benefit of the doubt that I would've given Oleg and Co, luthier and his teams track record isn't spectacular by any means so far. Prove me wrong luthier, create a spectacular sequel/add-on/MMO or whatever it will be and I will hurl money at you.

+1- I'm also going to wait to see what happens before splashing my cash on the sequel, I'm sure we will find some honest people in these forums telling use about the state of Bom and any of it's bugs.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Icebear

This is so ridiculous! So it's our fault that 1C failed for the last 7 years?

Nope.. read it again and note I was talking about the future of flight sims.. As in the few that are left making flight sims will see this experance (i.e. exchange between the maker and the customers) as a good reason to not make any new flight sims and go for the easy buck and make XBox games..

That is to say there is a point where the flight sims makers love for making flight sims can not overcome the hate they recive from the majority of the customers..

Just human nature

You do something you love to do, but most people don't apreicate what you do, chances are your going to find something else to do.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

As in the few that are left making flight sims will see this experance (i.e. exchange between the maker and the customers) as a good reason to not make any new flight sims

Or...they will use this as a learning experience and realize it's important at release to make sure the sim functions on some level. You would think that's a no-brainer but apparently some are shocked that customers get upset when the product they purchased doesn't really work.