Is the main issue with 1C the lack of communication? Feedback = Consideration for us? - Page 3

Wolf_Rider · #1 07-09-2012, 04:49 AM

They've delived a new engine, they are tesing it... the last patch was to further test the DX9 side of things (we don't want the whine brigade carrying on about dropped DX9 support now, do we??

_YoYo_ · #2 07-09-2012, 07:16 AM

@ mysticpuma

+1000

but Im affraid nothing will be changed. We will see next alpha/beta/gamma patch in next month. Couple things will be solved, again couple will be broken. Not a final patch with all. Its a never ending story (but with small hope after near 1,5 year).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MccmHwA-c4U

Wolf_Rider · #3 07-09-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Codex

But that is the point I'm trying to make, why are people "whinged over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over" ?

That's a very good question... what do they hope to achieve by it and retain credibility in doing so?
and make no mistake though, some really do seem to enjoy it.

CaptainDoggles · #4 07-09-2012, 09:10 AM

Perhaps it's because getting any info out of 1C:Maddox is like pulling teeth, and people feel that their concerns are not being heard/acknowledged/addressed?

Codex · #5 07-09-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

That's a very good question... what do they hope to achieve by it and retain credibility in doing so?
and make no mistake though, some really do seem to enjoy it.

Well I'm not going to speak for others, but what I wanted to achieve was to make my disappointment heard. I couldn't careless about credibility, at the end of the day who is more or less credible than the next simmer in this place anyway? The devs know what they're doing, the customers know what they want, why is it so hard to meet in the middle?

I think Mystic's post is spot on, it's not rocket surgery.

Vengeanze · #6 07-09-2012, 10:04 AM

Good post, MysticPuma.
You end your post with saying "...it really would go a long way to make us believe we aren't being ignored and hung out to dry?"

The anticipations were high, like you said, and 1C tried to deliver but misjudged the effort needed.
Now the game just costs money and takes time from the sequel.
Check the last quote of B6 in this thread.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32600

Lets file this game under "Too high ambitions. Couldn't deliver." and get ready for flying a Yak.

Gonna go play some Fifa whilst dreaming of the Essex again.g

Codex · #7 07-09-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

If you don't care about credibility, then why should the developers put a foot forward? Why should they treat you as credible?? What's the point of "meeting in the middle", when there is no middle? the developers put a foot forward and it is instantly stomped on

I actually don't blame the developers for their silence, considering the amount of abuse they've been subjected too and credibility isn't of any concern

I don't care if the devs take me as being credible or not, what do I have to prove? Nothing. My credibility comes from my credit card and my knowledge as a programmer. I know what its like to develop software and I know the pressure these blokes are under. But that doesn't take away the fact that I am a paying customer, they need people like you and me to survive.

There is always a middle ground and I feel they're stepping in the right direction with latest patch. I have never bagged the devs or pointed the finger at anyone but I do have the choice to continue to support this project, which at the moment, has waned, hence I'm now taking a wait and see approach.

I've said on many occasions that the best thing the devs can do is be open honest, that way we all know where we stand. I would have been happy to have waited another year or more for CloD to have come out, as long as it was a polished product. As a paying customer I shouldn't have to worry about the internal politics of what goes on, I can get that crap for free on ABC TV during question time in Parliament.

Besides if they're remaining silent because they're worried about the abuse, 10+ years of IL-2 should have toughened them up by now

Codex · #8 07-09-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Nope what I am saying and said is these customers that say they are not going to buy the next 1C product or wait to buy the next 1C product are just saying it out of frustration and or in some weak attempt to get a rise out of someone.. They know deep down they don't mean it and that they will more than likly be first in line to buy the next 1C product.

S! Ace

I take exception to that, because I for one have said I wont buy the next chapter in this new series, and it's not because I want to get a rise out of someone.

What I want is to voice my stance to the "powers that be" that if they want me to part with my $$$ on this sim I want to make sure I'll be buying a "usable" product. I want to know that features that are advertised will be available when I march in to the store to pick up my copy.

The thing that I'm peeved off about, and most here I would assume, is the fact that on the day I picked up my $110 special edition of CloD, it didn't work, and as a result of that I wont be buying it the next chapter if BoM turns out to be the same. I'm a dedicated flight simer, since lucas arts SWOLW, but I'm no shmuk.

Don't get me wrong, for me it's not a matter of the cost, hell I'd be more that happy to pay double for a SE if I knew I would be getting what I pay for on the day, and I can live with bugs because I know (well can image at the very least) the challeges the devs have in front of them. But I reject the notiion that the paying customer should pay for product that isn't finished.

If the devs need money then adopt the model DCS have done with their beta programs. Offer a beta for a cost and then pay for additional a/c as time goes on. I'm happy with that beacuse I'm being informed upfront what I'm paying for.

Sorry if this all sounds a bit rough, but the constant bashing of people who voice their opinions because they're not happy is really getting old.

Do you honestly think there would be this much "whining" if the product actually worked?

ACE-OF-ACES · #9 07-09-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Codex

S! Ace

I take exception to that, because I for one have said I wont buy the next chapter in this new series, and it's not because I want to get a rise out of someone.

Well first things you want to do is take note that I did not say everyone fits the discription I provided

Next thing you will want to take note of is I gave other reasons than trying to get a rise out of someone..

Only if the shoe fits should you take exception, and sence you said the shoe does not fit, not need for you to take exception

SiThSpAwN · #10 07-09-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Well first things you want to do is take note that I did not say everyone fits the discription I provided

Next thing you will want to take note of is I gave other reasons than trying to get a rise out of someone..

Only if the shoe fits should you take exception, and sence you said the shoe does not fit, not need for you to take exception

I'd like to say I wont buy the next one till I "wait and see" but who am I kidding... l love WWII air combat