RAF Bomber crews remembered. Better late than never.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sure he does, have a read at that link I posted Bongo.

Pretty sure I've read loads of stuff like that, so how about you highlight the salient points you want me to take from it.

[Al Schlageter]

Got to just love modern day bleedin hearts.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Pretty sure I've read loads of stuff like that, so how about you highlight the salient points you want me to take from it.

No. You can read it quick yourself if you really do care about this topic in its entirety. Besides you wouldn't want my "biased view" to get in the way

Seriously, it's a very good read.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

No. You can read it quick yourself if you really do care about this topic in its entirety. Besides you wouldn't want my "biased view" to get in the way

Seriously, it's a very good read.

Seriously, I have read that stuff, what exactly is it meant to be changing my mind on? how is it meant to inspire me to go and protest against a memorial to the bomber crews?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Seriously, I have read that stuff, what exactly is it meant to be changing my mind on? how is it meant to inspire me to go and protest against a memorial to the bomber crews?

I knew you completely missed the point. Nobody here is saying one should protest against the memorial per se, but it's of vital importance to convey the right message about it, not to turn it into a way of exorcising the dark memory of the mass murder of civilians for no purpose whatsoever.

It really shocks me that there's still people nowadays like Winny who think it was good to bomb the Germans "because they deserved it", this "eye for an eye" attitude doesn't make the act of bombing civilians less of a crime.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Seriously, I have read that stuff, what exactly is it meant to be changing my mind on? how is it meant to inspire me to go and protest against a memorial to the bomber crews?

It hardly is ment to inspire you to do anything. It is your country, your history, your take on it.
Just do not wonder if it causes ambigious reactions and alienation by current generations elsewhere for well based reasons.
If you are willingly taking that into account then there is not need for a debate to begin with. It should not have been dragged into an international forum by the topic starter in the first place, seen as that.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

It hardly is ment to inspire you to do anything. It is your country, your history, your take on it.
Just do not wonder if it causes ambigious reactions and alienation by current generations elsewhere for well based reasons.
If you are willingly taking that into account then there is not need for a debate to begin with. It should not have been dragged into an international forum by the topic starter in the first place, seen as that.

You think I base everything on what Germany did to 'my' country?

BTW are you ready to answer my question?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I knew you completely missed the point. Nobody here is saying one should protest against the memorial per se, but it's of vital importance to convey the right message about it, not to turn it into a way of exorcising the dark memory of the mass murder of civilians for no purpose whatsoever.

It really shocks me that there's still people nowadays like Winny who think it was good to bomb the Germans "because they deserved it", this "eye for an eye" attitude doesn't make the act of bombing civilians less of a crime.

I didn't miss any points, the allies targeting of civillian infrastructure was less about the actuall killing of civillians and innocents and more about taking the war back to Germany by the only means available, I'm sure if the allies had boots on the ground at that time there wouldn't have been any systematic exterminations of the civil populace, given the level of horror the Nazis (who were Germans) were committing I find Winny's attitude more understandable than Bewolf's bizarre claim Bomber command was formed solely to kill civillians.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I knew you completely missed the point. Nobody here is saying one should protest against the memorial per se, but it's of vital importance to convey the right message about it, not to turn it into a way of exorcising the dark memory of the mass murder of civilians for no purpose whatsoever.

It really shocks me that there's still people nowadays like Winny who think it was good to bomb the Germans "because they deserved it", this "eye for an eye" attitude doesn't make the act of bombing civilians less of a crime.

I never said it was good. Don't put words into my mouth, speak for yourself.

It happened. It probably was criminal. But in the context of the time what else were the allies gonna do? Having a memorial to the men who were in the bombers is simply that. A way to remember very young men forced into a horrible situation with very little chance of survival, who died.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

You think I base everything on what Germany did to 'my' country?

BTW are you ready to answer my question?

I think you are intentionally derailing the raised issue, playing Ace of Aces wannebe.
I refer to my last post and in it's eventuality, that is all there is to be said about it.