To Oleg or Luthier: 4.09 / mods question

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

It wasn't my intention to offend you or anybody, but in the "soundmod" I had 99% of the files were taken from other sims. Don't know if that really changed with the latest release, which I didn't test yet.

The samples now come from Mediterranean Air War - the freeware third party addon for CFS3. It's in the readme.

[LEXX]

The Strikefighters' mods sometimes make use of 3rd Party work from other sims. I assume this may be fairly common in the gaming world. Would this be Correct Thinking? As I only play The Sims, and only one The Sim at a time -- Strikefighters currently no more FB -- I never really thought about it before but it makes sense.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

The samples now come from Mediterranean Air War - the freeware third party addon for CFS3. It's in the readme.

You noticed that the MAW-team doesn't have a sound-creator, but merely people who did the additional voice-packs?
As a freeware-addon, MAW has little problems to use credits for using other peoples or CFS sounds and mixing them with sounds from other sources for a non-profit-addon.

That's different for MG and IL2, though.


Besides that the readme just thanks Lawdog for allowing to use his engine-samples. It doesn't say that all engine samples are from him.
If you follow the discussion on the boards, you'll notice where a lot of sounds came from.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

The samples now come from Mediterranean Air War - the freeware third party addon for CFS3. It's in the readme.

Just a point here. Just because a thing is 'freeware' doesn't mean that the creators don't own the copyright for that product. They do and would be able to pursue anyone who failed to a abide by the distribution agreement.

Now as long as it was being distributed within the terms of that agreement there wouldn't be a problem. But if the product was distributed as part of a commercial software package, the copyright owners would be entitled to see some moola for all their hard work!

When the Modder rip samples from here, there and every where, who in their right mind would encorporated into a patch for their game? Not me!

[Bearcat]

IMO the issue of cheating is now moot... Now in the future things may go south... but fore the most part I have not seen the cheating... Some of the things from AAA are just flat out EXCEDLLENT... like the QMB Plus... and the ability to change default skins... the flyable AI planes... all that stuff is great.. and IMO regardless to how the initial process was done... which is an entirely different issue.. credit should be given where it is due... not only to the AAA community admins for doing the job they do to foster an atmosphere where cheating is discouraged on their site.. to some of the flat out great stuff coming from there.

What this reminds me of sometimes is like Prometheus. He stole fire from the gods and gave it ti man.... Now prometheus in the eyes of the gods was wrong and needed to be punished... and he was.... layed out on that rock with the bird eating his liver for all eternity.. Hower the gods with all their power could not take fire back from man... and man could not be faulted one bit for using the tool provided by Prometheus.

I hope that 1C will look at some of the stuff coming from AAA and incorporate what can be incorporated or at the very least give the nod to some of the stuff coming out of there... because it isn't all bad....

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

What this reminds me of sometimes is like Prometheus. He stole fire from the gods and gave it to man.... Now prometheus in the eyes of the gods was wrong and needed to be punished... and he was.... layed out on that rock with the bird eating his liver for all eternity.. Hower the gods with all their power could not take fire back from man... and man could not be faulted one bit for using the tool provided by Prometheus.

Never seen it so perfectly expressed before. Nice one BC

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

Never seen it so perfectly expressed before. Nice one BC

And look how much damage was done with fire, eventually leading to the destruction of the atmosphere and mankind itself.


It's all a question of perspective.

[LEXX]

Bearcat::

IMO the issue of cheating is now moot... Now in the future things may go south... but fore the most part I have not seen the cheating... Some of the things from AAA are just flat out EXCEDLLENT... like the QMB Plus... and the ability to change default skins... the flyable AI planes... all that stuff is great..

Yes, as I have always predicted at the unmoderated ubi forums (Oleg was ran out) where accusastions of "wanting to cheat online" or "wanting to kill the sim" were allowed and even encouraged to be made against Oleg's customers who asked for legitimate modding. However, there is an ironic side if Oleg hack-mods his own sim as suggested here...

Bear::

I hope that 1C will look at some of the stuff coming from AAA and incorporate what can be incorporated or at the very least give the nod to some of the stuff coming out of there... because it isn't all bad....

In general, it is believed that Oleg does NOT favour the modding through the use of the hacked tools. If Oleg takes into his sim one (1) mod or a derivative of a mod that was originally created by the hacked process, then Oleg personally approves the hack derived modding for me on a moral basis.

Oleg's apparent position against hack-modding process is the "moral" reason why I refuse to use any mods but then I don't play the sim anymore because I would like to mod it up! A central bank chairman may call this an irrational connundrum but it is one that could be resolved if Oleg takes into his sim, and so "approves," even one (1) mod or a derivative of it.

Then I can buy my upgrade, 1C gets a repeat customer, and I can modup some early Easter Front which Oleg abandoned long ago, and some Spanish Civil War. I'd like to see JG52_Tuckie's Spanish Civil War modding team come back to the living FB from TargetWare.

[II./JG1_Wilcke]

Interesting thread; good point LEXX. I too would have continued buying Olegs products. To this day I would still pay $30 or $40 or $50 for a Spanish Civil War Campaign based on the old IL-2 Engine! Or a North Africa Campaign or a Med Campaign. He could still be raking in the money on the old IL-2. I could be wrong?

Look at the MS Flight Sim market any single aircraft addon can cost $25 to $50USD.

Interesting thread! Oh I liked Luthiers post about the IL-2 source code going to 3rd party about a year ago! Was that leased or sold?

[LEXX]

Thanks! Here is Tuckie_JG52's TARGET SPAIN thread at the TargetWare forum. Last poast dates from over one year ago.


Tuckie (July 2003)::

Well, as you know in this forum, the Spanish Civil War Project has been moving into TargetWare.
~> http://www.targetware.net/modules.ph...iewtopic&t=196

Tuckie come home



Wow, I think Thor and I say the same thing, kinda. just...wow ... If Oleg does NOT approve of the generalized process of modding through the hacked tools, then I don't think he will add any of those mods to 4.09. But who knows...