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Old 06-07-2012, 09:12 PM
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In the strategic reserve but that says nothing about operational use. Looking at supply side evidience does not answer operational question.

Once again, I have not seen a thing that overrides the operational doucmentation or what the Notes on a Merlin Engine say for the specified fuel. When 100 Octane becomes the norm, Notes on a Merlin engine relects it.

You guys are all in a frenzy and foaming at the mouth to disprove the fact the Battle of Britain was transitional time period and we need to have more information.

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Old 06-07-2012, 09:17 PM
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In the strategic reserve but that says nothing about operational use. Looking at supply side evidience does not answer operational question.

Once again, I have not seen a thing that overrides the operational doucmentation or what the Notes on a Merlin Engine say for the specified fuel. When 100 Octane becomes the norm, Notes on a Merlin engine relects it.

You guys are all in a frenzy and foaming at the mouth to disprove the fact the Battle of Britain was transitional time period and we need to have more information.
Priceless, you have seen the stocks reports = reserves and the consumption reports = operational side.

And the questions are not awnsered what fuel did the RAF use if it wasn't the fuel consumed?
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:19 PM
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CONSUMPTION.
We have been over it before Glider.

I know what it means it terms of strategic logistics. Because you don't accept it does not make it not true or invalid.

Once again, you are all trying really hard to disprove the fact the Battle of Britain was transitional time period and we need to have more information.

There is not any new developments and you are all posting the same old logistical documentation like it is new or changes the picture.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:20 PM
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Once again, I have not seen a thing that overrides the operational doucmentation or what the Notes on a Merlin Engine say for the specified fuel. When 100 Octane becomes the norm, Notes on a Merlin engine relects it.
I guess you're blind then... as I have repeatedly shown you "things that override the operational documentation"
What about:
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/no611-100oct.jpg
and
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/no74-100oct.jpg
and:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/6...-100octane.jpg

According to you 100 octane use is forbidden on the Spitfire I.

How is that we have whole squadrons running on 100 octane well before the BofB, and how is it the manual you claim is from July 1940 mentions the use of the Merlin II that went out of production in 1939?
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:41 PM
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We have been over it before Glider.

I know what it means it terms of strategic logistics. Because you don't accept it does not make it not true or invalid.

Once again, you are all trying really hard to disprove the fact the Battle of Britain was transitional time period and we need to have more information.

There is not any new developments and you are all posting the same old logistical documentation like it is new or changes the picture.


Identify the RAF FC squadrons that were using 87 octane fuel and the RAF FC squadrons using 100 octane fuel in Sept 1940.

Can't do that, then just so much bovine manure from you.
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:30 PM
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When i look at this picture:

i see that in june 1940 336000 tons of 100 octane fuel were supposed to be used
336000 tons would be 10584000 gallons
used by about 700 fighters that would be 151200 gallons per fighter
Average consumption for the Merlin mostly climbing would be about 75 gallons/h, so we get 2016 h flight time for each fighter.
Divided by 30 days that would give about 67,2 h a day flight time.
Now, where is the error?

Or are this only the stocks?
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Now, where is the error?
Ummm....you forgot about the other RAF commands using 100 octane as it had become the main fuel for operational units so it was being used by bombers too.
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Consumption reports that say that 61,000 tons, 315 imp gallons per ton, 192,151,000 imp gallons of 100 Octane was consumed between June and end October 1940



So, where did 192,151,000 gallons of 100 Octane go if it was only consumed by a small number of RAF fighters and some Blenheims?

Interestingly stocks of 100 Octane had already become greater than "Other Grades" by June - NOT October, as Crumpp has surmised:



Crumpp obviously believes that he knows better than all those "amateur" aviation historians who have written about 100 Octane so how about Crumpp takes some time out to write a best seller on 100 Octane, based on his professional expertise, and leave all of us confounded by his brilliance?
When i read 192151000 gallons for 150 days for about 700 fighters at about 75 gallons/h i calculate 24,2h flight time a day. Confusing!
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Or are this only the stocks?
Yes.

See the 1st chart in post #292 for consumption.
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When i look at this picture:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...40-April41.jpg
i see that in june 1940 336000 tons of 100 octane fuel were supposed to be used
336000 tons would be 10584000 gallons
used by about 700 fighters that would be 151200 gallons per fighter
Average consumption for the Merlin mostly climbing would be about 75 gallons/h, so we get 2016 h flight time for each fighter.
Divided by 30 days that would give about 67,2 h a day flight time.
Now, where is the error?

Or are this only the stocks?
Only the stocks.
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