Spit IIa is now so much more inferior to the 109

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Yea you start again with prototypes and folder data not for serial planes. Serial 109 E test proff different results - 467- 475 km/h at 1.3 Ata (990 PS). Nothing new to me and no sense to disccussion these again.

BTW

109 T-2 with Db601N in May 1941 reached at 1.35 Ata 2600 RPM - 1175 PS ( maximum emergency power) 490 km/h at the deck.

So i think for 109 E-3/4 at 1.4-1.45 Ata ( 1- minut emergency power) it is possible 490-500 km/h at the deck for a while ( less then 1 minut) nothing more.

For comparsion serial Spitfire MK1 at +12 lbs could do 505 km/h at the deck but for longer time ( 5- minutes).

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Hi Manu

Yeah the reason i raised the original post in the first place was because this 109 actually started just lower than me. i came onto him and we had an initial first pass, at which point he began to climb, he climbed away from me, then turned and engaged. After 2 or 3 repeats of this, he was much higher than me,.

Now I'm a pretty experienced spit pilot, i did my best to stay with him, but the 109 just climbs so much better than the spit - it's ridiculous.

Being lower does not means it had less energy than you. And if it was coming from a dive and had much more speed than you. Energy = speed + altitude. I bet you just not avalied the energy states good enough. After 2 or 3 pass he was much higher because problaby he puts you in defensive obligating you to turn a lot when he preserves its energy using less AoA and coming inside your turn for a snap shot. Next time rec a track.

Problaby you were a victim of the famous rope a dope manouver. the good 109 pilots use it a lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQWyrOSB6uw