Friday Update, January 27, 2012

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

Sternjaeger you grossly underestimate the amount of research neccessary to create a model as shown in the screenshots (with all the interior parts, wing ribs etc). For that stuff you need solid data and not just any cr@p a google search finds you. That stuff requires something better than a few thrown-together TGA schemes ... On top of that you need original manuals to study and understand the various systems of the type, manuals which often are either unavailable at all, only partially available or not available in the language you need them (remember the development team speaks native russian, not german or english). I remember Dietger and Jippo spent one and a half years only on collecting the necessary manuals to begin modelling the Ju 88 back in 1946. And, let's be honest, the 1946 Ju 88 is a much less sophisticated model than the CloD one.

well I provided materials and translations both to you guys for your expansions and Oleg for IL-2 and CloD, and all it takes is knowing what you're doing. People might have material but they're not necessarily competent on a subject.

It's down to the devt. team to choose the right collaborators, get them involved in the creation of a database (which is what I'm working on at the moment).
Other resources/drawings/manuals can be bought online, again the Internet is your friend.

If you can't find enough info on a specific plane, just put it away and concentrate on another project, simple.

I don't know whether Daidalos Team is a fulltime job or not, but again, I can tell you that there are ways to optimise production and make the best out of it, no matter how complicated it is.

I work and collaborate with the car manufacturing industry, universities and private businesses, reassessing procedures and standards for thousands of employees, I'm more than confident I would be capable of helping a small software house to reassess their work process. Considering my interest on the subject, I'm even ready to do it for free.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well I provided material both to you guys for your expansions and Oleg for IL-2 and CloD, and all it takes is knowing what you're doing. People might have material but they're not necessarily competent on a subject.

It's down to the devt. team to choose the right collaborators, get them involved in the creation of a database (which is what I'm working on at the moment).
Other resources/drawings/manuals can be bought online, again the Internet is your friend.

If you can't find enough info on a specific plane, just put it away and concentrate on another project, simple.

I don't know whether Daidalos Team is a fulltime job or not, but again, I can tell you that there are ways to optimise production and make the best out of it, no matter how complicated it is.

I work and collaborate with the car manufacturing industry, universities and private businesses, I'm more than confident I would be capable of helping a small software house to reassess their work process. Considering my interest on the subject, I'm even ready to do it for free.

Sounds cool, I remember the days in IL2 when people desperately looked for material, checked museums, private collectors, archieves to find blueprints of some of the more obscure planes but also for a lot of german mainstay airplanes (lots was destroyed in the last year of the war). An expert in this field who is much more competent then all others who laid their hands on this so far I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Sounds cool, I remember the days in IL2 when people desperately looked for material, checked museums, private collectors, archieves to find blueprints of some of the more obscure planes but also for a lot of german mainstay airplanes (lots was destroyed in the last year of the war). An expert in this field who is much more competent then all others who laid their hands on this so far I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms.

It's a huge learning curve, liking aeroplanes or reading some books doesn't make you an expert. The expert is someone who has a sound general knowledge and is capable of researching material inherent to the required task. Assembly manuals, operation manuals, part catalogues, test pilot notes, understanding the available data (and above all not taking them for divine word) and last but not least knowing when, unless you find more material on the subject, you will have to give up.

when you're doing research money is your best friend. You need to budget for research if you want it done hey presto and in a proficient way.

Also, you need to know what you need to look for. If I said "I need material on the Macchi 202", I need to specify what I actually need, and above all do it in collaboration who's aviation and engineering literate. I don't need colour profiles, I don't necessarily need 500 B&W wartime pictures, or one picture of a cockpit is not necessary the absolute truth about the looks of an interior. I need to know what that specific panel, dial or knob is for, whether it was standard or changed on various variants, I need to know how all the moving parts work and why, what the possible faults are, what are the engineering shortcomings.. It's a HUGE task, but it wouldn't necessarily take months.

It's hard work, and not always easy, but it's a vital part of development, especially if you want to avoid doing things twice.

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It's a huge learning curve, liking aeroplanes or reading some books doesn't make you an expert.

That sentence should be plastered on the wallpapers of some people I can think of.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It's a HUGE task, but it wouldn't necessarily take months.

If you can get it in your native language, no it shouldn't take this long. But translate it? Into russian for example? That is a completely different beast. That is the crux here, understanding material which is not necessarily in your own native language (and, to make it worse, possibly explaining what you got to a programmer who doesn't speak that language at all). Oh dear, what a nightmarish thought ...

[Jatta Raso]

i would participate in the debate but i'm allergic to fireproof wear...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

That sentence should be plastered on the wallpapers of some people I can think of.

LOLz tell me about it.. god knows the amount of anoraks I have to deal with at airshows and in other mundane aviation events: the best one was a chap trying to convince me that the compass in a Tiger Moth I flew in with was in fact a radar screen.

If you can get it in your native language, no it shouldn't take this long. But translate it? Into russian for example? That is a completely different beast. That is the crux here, understanding material which is not necessarily in your own native language (and, to make it worse, possibly explaining what you got to a programmer who doesn't speak that language at all). Oh dear, what a nightmarish thought ...

again, it's something you can overcome, and there definitely needs to be a language standardisation: let's face it, you wanna work on an international level? You need English (and/or foreign language skills!)

[csThor]

In Russia that may not be the case, yet. Reading in between the lines I get the impression that the new Maddox Games team is more of a collection of people without too much international experience (or none at all).

[katdogfizzow]

Awesome

[FG28_Kodiak]

@Blacksix
Ok i see a I16 with weels and one with skies. So will we get a autumn and a winter map?