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If you like to have a combat simulation with airplanes modeled like an xbox/PS game, please be my guest. If you were unable to understand the importance of my post regarding CloD and the comparative between the Spit and 109. look at the following quotes: Quote:
![]() Regards. PS: AFAIK most of 109's if not all (regarding the same period) should be able to out climb Spitfires like in RL. In a late war scenario, as modeled in 1946, only the K4 was able to out climb (in certain conditions) the Spitfire... I guess I didn't quite understood that particular point of view, unless you were thinking biased... Last edited by jg27_mc; 11-29-2011 at 02:43 PM. |
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I do remember though how they used to perform in 4.08 and never had any problem with them flying Blue (which was 60+ percent of the time). Very capable plane as it should be. Quote:
---------------------------- As for the actual topic - as it is, Bf 109 is certainly able to outclimb any Mk.I RAF fighter as it should. FM need some fine tuning, there is a patch coming out soon so why don't we simply wait, try it and THEN comment. You're coming here with your opinions from an different sim (which you don't fly anymore) and comment on stuff that has not even happened yet. Why? (that was my question) My recommendation to any orthodox blue or red pilots - try flying the other side for a month or two ![]()
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My fear with the new patch is that luthier said they are looking into the fm of the spit but made no mention of the other planes. So probably we will get a spit 1 faster than the hurricane to make this right but the rest will stay where it is ...
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I'm not bothered since to me this game is still incomplete: but having a well modelled Spit is a great thing... one of the many steps they have to take.
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Maybe.. but like you I have only found about six or seven over the past 20 years of flight simming.. But even if you could find ONE for each plane, remember, the fan plot shows the results at ONLY ONE ALTITUDE! Typically somewhere between 10 to 15kft Thus it is safe to say that at some point 'we' will have to trust the math (FM) of it all.. As in a calculated value. Once that is done and agreed upon you have to find those that have what it takes to do the test! As noted, based on my experance of testing and reviewing tests done by others, sim pilots typically fall way short of that mark!
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Theres a reason for instrumenting a plane for test..
That being a pilots's 'perception' of what is going on can be very different from what is 'actually' going on. Last edited by ACE-OF-ACES; 11-29-2011 at 06:31 PM. |
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I think we can overcome this problem with the help of our engineers.
I'm quite sure that today they are using software who can return to us many informations about those planes' attitude.
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@Ace: I agree that to some extend we will have to rely on some hypothesises wrt plane performance. However we should use any data that we can get imho - and be it just to calibrate the calculated data. |
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I know that the dogfights will suffer from it... but since I've not CloD on my HD for me it's ok (as for majority of the pilots in my squad).
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That's a good advice, mate.
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