radiators have no influence on speed

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Originally Posted by David198502

ace the only poor guy i see is you...

Well I can not say I am surprised.. Based on your track record that is, where Tom 'saw' the effects on speed due to the rad being opened.. Where as you did NOT 'see' the effects.. Thus your vision is in question IMHO

Originally Posted by David198502

you ask for proof,..

Which you never provided by the way..

Originally Posted by David198502

why don't you just try it by yourself,

Simple, it is not my job to re-do all the baseless claims made by people like you

Originally Posted by David198502

or better why don't you proof me wrong?...

No need, Tom already proved you are wrong.

Originally Posted by David198502

i bet the reason for it is, that you don't even have the game.

A bet you would loose

Originally Posted by David198502

so you tried it with your document you brought up,which you werent even capable of understanding,claiming a difference of first 5 then 11kph.

LOL! So what part of me saying the numbers were hard to read did you not understand the first, second, and third time I said it?

Originally Posted by David198502

you claimed that one is not able of seeing the difference 5kph.

Yes 'one', as in you, which is not to be confused with 'all'. I also pointed out that based on past experience, like the Ki61 top speed testing. Where I did take the time to prove a baseless claims was wrong. And based on the analysis of that persons track file it was found that the speed difference, be it too fast or too slow, was due to altitude changes.

Originally Posted by David198502

i totally believe you that you are not able to.

Yup, I am only human, and I work at the biggest test range in the lower 48, where we collect test data on everything from a T-72 tank that we blow up to a UAV tracking a soldier walking in the filed.. And based on that experience I know my limitations, and basic human limitations. You may consider yourself a super human, and maybe you are? But based on all my past testing of IL-2 track files from guys you like making baseless claims, I would say chances are your not super human. On that note, real test pilots in WWII had far more feedback than the typical four eyed over weight shut-ins who make baseless claims and provide no proof let alone any results of their testing other than the accuse the sim maker of a porked FM. For example, a real trained test pilot is not only able to read the altitude gauges, like a sim pilot, but he has the added benefit of being able to feel suttle g changes (seat of the pants) while flying, something a sim pilot can not do. That is just one of many types of feedback the sim pilot does not have, thus all the more reason to log your data while you fly on top of making a track file

Originally Posted by David198502

then it turned out that its ten times the difference you first claimed.

Even at tens times 11kph, 44kph is still within the noise of pilot error, as noted during the Ki61 top speed testing, I observed swings in speed around +/-50mph (that's +/-80.5kph).. But again, they were not super human like you!

Originally Posted by David198502

its absurd that you remained on your argument that one is not able to read a difference of 50kph on the gauge! that's ridiculous..

Not at all, based on the resolution of the cockpit gauges and based on what I know about human nature.

Also, your seem to be purposely forgetting that Tom said he noticed the speed change due to rads.. Why do you keep avoiding that fact?

Again, I am not saying your right or wrong, I am simply brining up Tom as proof that there is a chance that your wrong.

But there is a simple way to prove it one way or another!

Do the test, record the track file, and log the data as you fly the test

What is so hard about that?

What are you afraid of?

Originally Posted by David198502

pilots would not be able to land an aircraft safely if that would be true.

OMG..

I think I found the source of your problem.. You think my statement about being able to detect a change in speed was targeted at 'real' test pilots! That is not the case! I am talking about sim pilots, like yourself! You do understand the difference don't you? You do understand how the body is able to 'feel' changes in motion in real life.. Right? Granted they can fool the real pilot at times like in the case of JFK Jr. But a trained test pilot knows how to make use of both is internal feedback and the gauges feedback during a test. That and they typically don't test on days where there is more gray clouds than blue sky. The sim test pilot has none of that internal feedback, just the gauges. And while the sim pilot is ZOOMED into the speed gauges, he is not able to watch the altitude gauges.. Hence the need to log your data while your flying. Any of that sinking in yet?

Originally Posted by David198502

maybe you are not capable of doing so, but trust me, many others are.

Trust you?

The guy who made the claim that the 109 is not affected by changes in the rad.. Even though Tom said he did notice a change
The guy who provided no track file of his test for review
The guy who provided no real world data on how much the effect should be

Is that the guy your asking me to trust?

Or should I trust myself

The guy who has extracted the flight data from hundreds of track files and did not find one person that was able to maintain altitude well enough to not cause a +/-50mph swing

Emmmm.. Sorry, Ill have to go with the later

Again, maybe you are better than all those people, maybe you are super human, but we will never know for sure because you didn't provide a track file of your test, let alone log the data while testing.

So forgive me if I put you in the 'suspect until proven super human' category for now.. But based on my experience I have to.. Its nothing personal!

Originally Posted by David198502

your incompetence has nothing to do with others abilities or inabilities.

Thank god I was not drinking milk when I read that!

I mean really, this coming from..

The guy who made the claim that the 109 is not affected by changes in the rad.. Even though Tom said he did notice a change
The guy who provided no track file of his test for review
The guy who provided no real world data on how much the effect should be

Originally Posted by David198502

i suggest to you to buy the game and practice a bit, maybe one day you become capable of reading gauges and a difference of 50kph.

And I suggest you learn to take constructive criticism.. Because if you think I am being hard on you.. Imagine what kind of questions someone from 1C would request from you when making such claims as you did. Ill bet you the 1st thing they would ask of you is for you to provide a track file. Just a thought!