radiators have no influence on speed

[David198502]

i surprisingly just found out that the rads settings of the 109 have no impact on speed at all...
normally i fly with them as much closed as possible,to avoid engine overheating,while maintaining the minimum air resistance...
however i found out that one can leave the rads fully open and still reach and hold the top speed in level flight....

that should be looked into by the devs, cause i would assume that a fully opened radiator should cause enough surface to slow the aircraft down...


i have to say that this fact is extremely disappointing, as CEM and FMs are supposed to be the strengths of this game(sim?)

[Kobold10]

What type of 109 was used? E1, E3, E4 ?
I remember befor 2nd beta patch the setting of the coolers were important when flying a E3/E1 with full realistic Motor settings.

[David198502]

sorry forgot to say....i used the E4

didnt try it with the E1 or E3 yet

[Tacoma74]

I've noticed this as well. Seems like I can fly around all day on full throttle with rads full open and not lose any performance to drag. Probably a bug?? It's like they fix one damn thing and something else goes haywire! But being as the game is as complex as it is I guess it's just the nature of the beast...

[310_cibule]

Neither do they in hurri or spit I would say. No impact of open canopy either. Next patch?

[Tacoma74]

We can only hope that it's in the next patch.

[David198502]

just tried it with the E1, and its the same....no drag with rads fully open...
i dont know, but looking at the porked flight models, and now this, leads me to believe that this whole CEM argument is nothing but a joke...its only purpose up until now is to make us customers believe that we are playing something superior to IL2 1946, but honestly, the more i look into CLOD and experiment with it, the more i think that it is in fact inferior to its predecessor.


i mean,before the release of CLOD, i have thought, that if il2 1946 has features like the Lorenz landing system, those features would be self-evident for CLOD...plus many more new features making the game a real successor.but not only that so many features are absent or bugged, even such fundamental physics are not working....
this game is not worth to be called a sim yet in my eyes.

sorry for being negative again....i really want to love this game, but sometimes its really hard

[swiss]

Originally Posted by David198502

... even such fundamental physics are not working....
this game is not worth to be called a sim yet in my eyes.

In case you believe they simulate the airflow around the plane I think it's safe to say:
They are not.
The fluid dynamics stimulation alone would kill your pc.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by David198502

i surprisingly just found out that the rads settings of the 109 have no impact on speed at all...
normally i fly with them as much closed as possible,to avoid engine overheating,while maintaining the minimum air resistance...
however i found out that one can leave the rads fully open and still reach and hold the top speed in level flight....

that should be looked into by the devs, cause i would assume that a fully opened radiator should cause enough surface to slow the aircraft down...

i have to say that this fact is extremely disappointing, as CEM and FMs are supposed to be the strengths of this game(sim?)

Well I would not jump to that conclusion just yet

Don't take this personal, but, based on past IL2 experience I found that most of the 'errors' in speed were due to the sim pilot, not the FM.

And it worked both ways

1) Guy says plane is too slow, graphing the data using DeviceLink it turned out the sim pilot was actually climbing (read not level flight)
2) Guy says plane is too fast, graphing the data using DeviceLink it turned out the sim pilot was actually diving (read not level flight)

Little changes in altitude like that can easily cause a +/-40mph error.. At least that was the case in IL-2 for sim pilots. A good example was back during the Ki-61 top speed topics, half said too fast half said too slow. Turns out the plane was fine it was the sim test pilot that was in error.

Now with that said, what real world data are you using as a reference, and what is the speed difference between fully open and fully closed? Ill bet if falls in and around the above mentioned error, thus until your able to log you altitude and speed and graph it, I would not jump to your conclusion.

[David198502]

i dont take it personal...but it should make a difference whether the rads are fully open or almost closed....the only difference it makes is that you can overheat your engine with the latter, but not in speed