Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Buzpilot

Is this a official question, or just a stupid prank?
I don't see how asking such a stupid question in a alpha/beta state would do this community any good.

I believe NedLynch is an avid supporter judging from his posts. Muzzling anything that is not flattering doesn't help the community either. Good comms from the devs would sure help though.

[Zoom2136]

It is in my mind the only viable business model for a sim such as CoD.

I for one would pay for aircrafts/grounds/sea objects.

OTOH I think that missions or campains can be made by the comunity.

[NedLynch]

Yeah, I am an avid supporter, because I didn't listen to the whiners and people who are trying to run this game at minimum specs. Bought the game and it runs prefectly fine on my mid..ish system.
Since when do you guys play computer games? Since the dawn of recommended specs everyone knows you better be close to them or a good cut above them, don't even bother with your premanufactured, overpriced, bloatware filled and by default underperforming piece of compaq or dell or whatever manufacturer you bought it from.
Sorry had to vent.

To spell it out for those who still don't see the point behind this poll: dev team has revenue = continued development, dev team runs out of revenue = no more support for the game.
This is just one idea to prevent that from happening, there may be others of course, all I wanted to see how the community stands in terms of continued support for the devs.
Ok, even though the fewest people here seem to really read through a thread before posting, we all bought the game, we all spend the asking price either oblivious to the problem postings and reviews or in full concience of them. I fall into the latter category, in any case complaining you were ripped off is completely invalid.
I did get what I payed for and am happy with it, of course I want more and, deveating from my original postion a bit, as multiple people stated, if made into a comprehensive package am willing to pay for that additional content as well.
The cries for "first fix the game", they are fixing it, did you guys miss that?
I am aiming for continued support not for the next month or two but for years to come.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

fact.. flight sims are a very small part of the gaming market

fact.. flight sim users demand cutting edge graphics and high fidelity flight models (read realism), which does not come cheap wrt software development

fact.. there is more money to be made and easier money to be made making 'silly' games (read non-flight sim games)

fact.. Oleg's past flight sim spoiled a lot of people into thinking flight sims have to provide free support, updates and addons for 10+ years, when in fact this type of support is the exception not the rule in gaming.

fact.. there is only three ways to get 'additional content'

1) closed system, where you pay the original sim maker for addons and hope for a free one from time to time
2) open system, where you pay for 3rd party addons and hope for a free one from time to time
3) hacked system: where you download a 'free' addons and hope for the best

With that said..

I think the best way is option 1

Where there is only one methodology to the FM and DM, in that the other two methods can result in many different versions of the 'same plane', worse yet in option 3 you can end up with many different versions of the 'same game'. And as noted above, the flight sim community is a small (nitch) one realitive to the gaming community as a whole, thus any splits hurts everyone.

Oh and the other nice thing about option one and even two is it has a filtering effect.. In essence weeding out the kid-os who have to go ask mama for the credit card to buy the addons. With the hope being that mama says no!

[von Pilsner]

fact.. many people who enjoy WWII flight sims are not computer literate and don't play other games. (you forgot one, Ace )

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh and the other nice thing about option one and even two is it has a filtering effect.. In essence weeding out the kid-os who have to go ask mama for the credit card to buy the addons. With the hope being that mama says no!

I get what you are saying, but I would like more people to play WWII flight sims, not less.

Originally Posted by esmiol

for me the system of ROF to pay each plane is just horrible !

i will pay for extra content like i do for il2 forgotten battle or pacific fighter, etc... in one word addons!

i don't want to pay for each plane...or each visor or for each boulon of my plane like it is coming in ROF.


then my repsonse is NO!

sim genre is small...ww1 sim genre even smaller...they are doin this to survive...and we want them to survive...so I think its ok...at least they are giving us something good (and which looks good) which we can actually play and enjoy without a need for having a nuclear pc...and btw, wer getting updates very often and devs communication with customers is 5/5.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

In terms of beating the old dead horse (the tangent discussion that spun off in the thread) i'm with Madfish.
People on this forum especially knew what was wrong with the game before they even got it: the Russian release was on March 25th and we had ample supply of videos and reviews made not by gaming websites, but made by customers.

Oh come on Blackdog. I expect better than that of you on this forum. I stand by what I wrote in my last post. There was a lot of noisy debate pre-release and increasing signs that things were not all good, but it was completely possible (up until the Russian release at least) to believe that the released product would be rather more 'polished' than it turned out to be.

It's entirely possible that some of your comments below are addressed to other people more than myself, but seeing as your post follows directly on from points I raised i think I need to respond.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Anyone who was displeased and didn't cancel their preorder has only themselves to blame for taking a leap of faith and then busting our proverbial fuzzy dice when it didn't work out for them.

I've never pre-ordered any kind of game before CoD and in the case of CoD i only did it to get a collector's edition. Pre-ordering is for people who are willing to put up with the initial teething troubles or see some kind of other benefit in it (like it was in my case), if you don't want to take a risk cancel your order and wait for more in-depth reviews and patches. But please, stop doing our head in about how you've been cheated when the information was right before your eyes.

I've never pre-ordered a game before either (also Collectors Edition) and I'm still glad that I did. I've also never used the word 'cheated' (though others have). I never considered cancelling my order after the Russian release, because I wanted to support the devs, because I was looking forward to the game so much and because even at that late stage it was possible for many of us to believe that the game would still be ok. With hindsight there was a lot of wishful thinking involved. In my own case a stubborn disbelief that the devs would let it out in that state without being 'open' with us about the issues first.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

A kid with no experience who saw a couple of advertisements and bought CoD, a newcomer to sims and this forum? Sure, he's got every right to feel cheated.

The bunch of old-timers and veterans who frequent this place? NOT A CHANCE. It was just voluntary blindness followed by self-righteous e-rage when things didn't go they way they imagined they would.

I respectfully disagree. I remember that week very clearly. There was a lot of noise, conflicting opinions, mounting disbelief. Desperate attempts to get accurate translations of what was posted on the Sukhoi forums (Google Translate !! ). As I said - with hindsight it's possible to accept that myself and others were (willfully) deluding ourselves. At the time - NO!

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

After the Russian release and a few weeks before the EU release:
"The videos on youtube are not encouraging, the game stutters like hell, oh well, i'm impatient so i'll buy a monster PC without knowing anything about what makes this game work this way and preorder anyway"

I actually bought my monster PC about a month before the Russian release

Blind faith? Maybe. Foolish? Probably, though again hindsight makes it obvious - it wasn't at all the case at the time. My choice and my responsibility and I take that one on the chin.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Two weeks later: "Oh well i'm impatient so i'll share the story of how i was cheated in the hopes of getting some comforting and maybe pushing the developers to give me a patch that fixes what i consider the most important bugs, because i'm super important and all"

Someone else I think.....

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

There's a ton of things that need fixing in the game, but a lot of it is loads more important than the jaggies on a bloody aerial mast. But in order for people to know this they actually have to spend some time flying, instead of looking only at the pretty pictures and shutting off the game when they are not pretty enough for them. I honestly think some people are dabbling in the wrong gaming genre.

In your opinion. You're a credit to this community and I for one value your patience and commitment. But the people who seem to have got the most out of the game are those like yourself who strongly value the fine detail technical aspects above other facets - landscape, anti-aliasing and 'pretty pictures'....

I'm pleased that you and others can. In my own case I can't suspend my disappointment with the other aspects of the sim enough to want to put the effort into learning the technical details. I need to have a believable sense of reality from the visual aspects, AI and several other areas first.

Please allow me the right to decide what is most important to me in how I play and approach the game without somehow being dismissed as a lightweight.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

This is how some people come off here to the majority of the rest of the posters. You guys should see the kind of PMs and comments i get on reported posts from members of the community.

So let them stop throwing their HOTAS out the pram because the onlookers are not impressed, empathetic or otherwise moved one iota. It's a clear case of self-victimization, why should the rest of the community have to put up with the consequences of other people's masochism?

Back on topic - For the record I voted yes in the poll for buying add-ons. I really want to see this sim become what it can be.

Feel free to move this post if needed.

[Red Dragon-DK]

If you mean like buy an aircraft like ROF. No I dont think so. Thats why WOW, ROF and some other games will never be on my harddrive. If that ever gona happen to this Sim, Im just one customer less. Does not mean much in the big picture, but there are many who feel like me.

But addons like in the in the old IL2. shure.... Thats a full packed like Operation Arrowhead is to Arma2. No problem there.

Thanks

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by Red Dragon-DK

If you mean like buy an aircraft like ROF. No I dont think so. Thats why WOW, ROF and some other games will never be on my harddrive. If that ever gona happen to this Sim, Im just one customer less. Does not mean much in the big picture, but there are many who feel like me.

But addons like in the in the old IL2. shure.... Thats a full packed like Operation Arrowhead is to Arma2. No problem there.

Thanks

+1

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by von Pilsner

fact.. many people who enjoy WWII flight sims are not computer literate and don't play other games. (you forgot one, Ace )

Not forgot, left out on purpose because it really does not have anything to do with my point, nor is that attribute 'exclusive' to flight sim games.

Originally Posted by von Pilsner

I get what you are saying, but I would like more people to play WWII flight sims, not less.

No, I don't think you 'get' what I am saying, that or you don't mind kid-os shooting down friendly planes in a coop because they think they are cool