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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?
yes 93 36.19%
no 125 48.64%
not sure 39 15.18%
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:54 AM
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Default Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?

Ok, before everybody shakes their head in disbelieve and says "you have got to be out of your mind" read on.

RoF is doing this for a long time already, planes and now field mods for planes are available for purchase, microtransactions if you will. I am sure the purpose behind this is.....to make money...duh, yeah no kidding, but I am also sure they could not have developed the game to the stage it is in right now (offline career and other improvements) without a somewhat continuing revenue stream.
Improving the issues with CoD and meeting the needs of the community will take time and money. Yes the game should have been much better upon release, but we are where we are.
Thus I am posting the above question.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:04 AM
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a definite no. Not with the game in this sorry state. If the CoD team would deliever quality content, I might consider that. But for the time being: No, No, three times No.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:04 AM
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Oranges and Bananas. The publisher situation for CloD is totally different with Rise of Flight and I truley hope ubisoft isn't getting any stupid ideas. Otherwise modding might as well be a thing of the past and we can all only sit there and wait for our mighty gods to make us some plane or thief- ehhhh fieldmods and sell those to us for the price of a kidney or two.

My favorite example is some weird train simulator on steam - for over 1.1k euros if you buy all the additional trains. (Yes that's right, about 1600$)

Nope thanks. I prefer to buy whole packages instead of this micropayment for microscopic content stuff.

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Old 08-27-2011, 02:10 AM
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Hmmm....the publisher situation may be different, however RoF had it a bit rocky as well, 3DO closed it's doors and all of a sudden 777Studios were the ones reponsible for keeping the game running/continuing to work on the game after release.
And I am not talking about $1600 for all the content, look at RoF's store.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:12 AM
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Oranges and Bananas. The publisher situation for CloD is totally different with Rise of Flight and I truley hope ubisoft isn't getting any stupid ideas. Otherwise modding might as well be a thing of the past and we can all only sit there and wait for our mighty gods to make us some plane or thief- ehhhh fieldmods and sell those to us for the price of a kidney or two.

My favorite example is some weird train simulator on steam - for over 1.1k euros if you buy all the additional trains. (Yes that's right, about 1600$)

Nope thanks. I prefer to buy whole packages instead of this micropayment for microscopic content stuff.
Totally agree. Get the basics right and I'll pay for extra stuff. Once ripped, twice shy.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:13 AM
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Ok, before everybody shakes their head in disbelieve and says "you have got to be out of your mind" read on.

RoF is doing this for a long time already, planes and now field mods for planes are available for purchase, microtransactions if you will. I am sure the purpose behind this is.....to make money...duh, yeah no kidding, but I am also sure they could not have developed the game to the stage it is in right now (offline career and other improvements) without a somewhat continuing revenue stream.
Improving the issues with CoD and meeting the needs of the community will take time and money. Yes the game should have been much better upon release, but we are where we are.
Thus I am posting the above question.
Isn't it like "they charged us for a unfinished game - a piece of it, so we need to pay again and again until we have a full game"?

RoF had a microtransactions scheme since the beginning, i've bought it and a like the business model, but i KNEW that RoF was that way before i bought it. CoD, on the other hand, was advertised as a full game, so i expect them to finish it without charging me again. After delivering what they promised, if they release DLC's i'll think on buying it...
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:19 AM
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I voted no. Unless there is a dramatic and immediate improvement in the way Maddox Games interfaces with the community, I will not be giving a single cent. Buggy release? We can understand that it's budgetary issues. Lack of communication? No, I cannot forgive that. It's disgraceful that a major developer would behave in this manner.

We were sold a defective and unfinished product. What do you do when you disappoint your customers? You open the curtains and show them what you're doing to make it right. That's the price you pay, and that's the burden you bear for asking us to have faith in the company who could just as easily take our money and run.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:38 AM
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I voted no. Unless there is a dramatic and immediate improvement in the way Maddox Games interfaces with the community, I will not be giving a single cent. Buggy release? We can understand that it's budgetary issues. Lack of communication? No, I cannot forgive that. It's disgraceful that a major developer would behave in this manner.

We were sold a defective and unfinished product. What do you do when you disappoint your customers? You open the curtains and show them what you're doing to make it right. That's the price you pay, and that's the burden you bear for asking us to have faith in the company who could just as easily take our money and run.
Not wanting to be mean here but although the product is probably flawed:

Every person that posts on a web forum should know that there is something like game reviews or customer experience reports out there. So no should suffer from the scenario you described.

In most (all) game reviews I saw CloD was trashed. So those rants are very boring and complete lies because your situation is no ones but your own fault.
Don't you think you could have avoided your situation by just reading and not buying? It's like marrying the next girl you see just because you once had a good experience with one girl - usually you evaluate before acting if it's important to you. That also goes for money.

So, if you want to spread rants until the game is dead - fine, go ahead. But if you really want to see the game develop you may consider trashing it a bit less and try to help. This can also be done by refraining from causing additional damage



That said I just want to add that one thing I don't like about micropayment scenarios:
DLC's and micropayment "objects" are too irrelevant to draw the attention of big reviewers. No game magazine or anything bothers to review a single plane for game xyz - especially not if it's the 100th.

Now you could say that you could still go to the community and check with them but... reading through the threads on this forum alone makes clear that you won't always get the most satisfactory opinions.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:57 AM
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Did you even read what I wrote?

I specifically said we could all understand a buggy release. We can forgive that.

What I have issues with is the abysmal quality and quantity of communication and dialogue between developer and customer.

Try actually reading posts before you call me a liar; it just makes you look like an idiot.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:07 AM
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Not wanting to be mean here but although the product is probably flawed:

Every person that posts on a web forum should know that there is something like game reviews or customer experience reports out there. So no should suffer from the scenario you described.

In most (all) game reviews I saw CloD was trashed. So those rants are very boring and complete lies because your situation is no ones but your own fault.
Don't you think you could have avoided your situation by just reading and not buying? It's like marrying the next girl you see just because you once had a good experience with one girl - usually you evaluate before acting if it's important to you. That also goes for money.

So, if you want to spread rants until the game is dead - fine, go ahead. But if you really want to see the game develop you may consider trashing it a bit less and try to help. This can also be done by refraining from causing additional damage



That said I just want to add that one thing I don't like about micropayment scenarios:
DLC's and micropayment "objects" are too irrelevant to draw the attention of big reviewers. No game magazine or anything bothers to review a single plane for game xyz - especially not if it's the 100th.

Now you could say that you could still go to the community and check with them but... reading through the threads on this forum alone makes clear that you won't always get the most satisfactory opinions.
These people who keep saying that no one should get ripped because they should have read the reviews first, frustrate the crap out of me. If everyone worked in that basis then there wouldn't be any bloody reviews. Most times you have to trust, the people who advertise their products, that their product will be the same as their advertising. In any case, most have put up with this so far but, like me, just want to know what's being done to rectify the myriad of problems.
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