Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Bryan21cag

I am not 100% sure on this but I don't think you can have both. If you are putting out single planes and single campaigns for people to buy then you really do not want open access for modders to create the same thing that you are trying to sell. If you were a Mod God you would just wait and see what the items were make them your self and drop them for free on to the mod sites, so my guess is if they went this way they would also have to change the code around to prevent this. That is why it scares me a little if they do entertain this idea at some point.

Cheers

According to one of their past interviews they didn't want to go with a RoF-style business model, but stick to the way it was done in IL2 with complete expansion packs.

Now it's true that many things have changed due to publisher pressure, but i think we have clear indications this is not one of them:

a) We got the 109E-1 for free and the E-4 is probably next (new aircraft mentioned in the last development update as being part of the patch).

b) In one of the development updates they mentioned the release of an SDK as being the next step after the bug fixing is done, which would enable the community to mod new aircraft and maps into the sim. The limitation is the map size so they can still sell expansions with large maps down the road.

c) The sim is very moddable even in its current state for people who have some programming knowledge: it's possible to insert custom campaigns with their own menu entries, create new overlay windows from scratch, etc.

So i think they are not going down that road and i'm glad for it.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Another lovely long post Blackdog, and yes we have heard it all before, and it's good to see you towing the party line, but you see it really doesn't matter what you or I think, everyone who reads these forums as read every argument and point of view and it doesn't matter how rational you appear to be, because the bottom line is that the majority of people here feel they have been 'ripped off' and furthermore the general feeling is at this current time Luthier is not doing enough (communication wise) to show that he gives a rat's ass about it. Yes he's payed lip service to it with the 'Community manager' that seems to have gotton lost in the Dynamic weather so he knows its important to us, we should be patient I hear you cry, but thats not what we want, we want to be kept informed, and 'the customer is always right'.
You can dress it up all you want, but that's the general mood. The only person who can change this, is not a moderator with a stubborn sense of duty but Luthier himself. If he carries on to ignore 'his' valued customers then he and his business will suffer and deservedly so for the lack of respect that he has shown on these boards by not keeping us (the paying customer) informed. Simples!

I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just saying i disagree and you're not worth the time convincing, so i just post to maintain my opposing viewpoint's time under the spotlights to prevent the forum giving off the false aura of everybody agreeing with your viewpoint. It's a devil's advocate kind of thing.

Oh and don't bring up the moderating status in this, if i wanted to silence you guys i could have done so on the first day and saved myself the time of answering you, it's just a couple of clicks worth of time.

I just don't believe in forcing my opinion across and that's why you are still posting here.

If you can't appreciate this it's none of my concern, but don't expect me to accept the kind of treatment i refuse to dish out, you're going to get called out on it. Nothing personal, just calling them as i see them

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

According to one of their past interviews they didn't want to go with a RoF-style business model, but stick to the way it was done in IL2 with complete expansion packs.

Now it's true that many things have changed due to publisher pressure, but i think we have clear indications this is not one of them:

a) We got the 109E-1 for free and the E-4 is probably next (new aircraft mentioned in the last development update as being part of the patch).

b) In one of the development updates they mentioned the release of an SDK as being the next step after the bug fixing is done, which would enable the community to mod new aircraft and maps into the sim. The limitation is the map size so they can still sell expansions with large maps down the road.

c) The sim is very moddable even in its current state for people who have some programming knowledge: it's possible to insert custom campaigns with their own menu entries, create new overlay windows from scratch, etc.

So i think they are not going down that road and i'm glad for it.





I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just saying i disagree and you're not worth the time convincing, so i just post to maintain my opposing viewpoint's time under the spotlights to prevent the forum giving off the false aura of everybody agreeing with your viewpoint. It's a devil's advocate kind of thing.

Oh and don't bring up the moderating status in this, if i wanted to silence you guys i could have done so on the first day and saved myself the time of answering you, it's just a couple of clicks worth of time.

I just don't believe in forcing my opinion across and that's why you are still posting here.

If you can't appreciate this it's none of my concern, but don't expect me to accept the kind of treatment i refuse to dish out, you're going to get called out on it. Nothing personal, just calling them as i see them

Thats all fine but as a moderator its worth knowing that your view point isn't what is generally accepted on these forums, but i'm sure you are already aware of that. Oh and for the record i very much do appreciate that you haven't banned me or all the others that feel the same way. Also, all the polls we have had do suggest that the mass majority of people on here do agree with my viewpoint, and further to that a very large amount of people who were once die hard Luthier supporters have changed thier opinion since the release, not because of the patch updates but because of the lack of communication. You are in the minority on this one, but like you have said you do have the ban button to fall back on should you want to change the tide.

[Pluto]

No, not necessarily, dont wake up sleeping dogs with your thread !

Your question reminds me of the f... news on TV, when something bad happens somewhere in the world, for ex. a terrorist attack.
They always ask: "could that also happen here ?" They ask that question continuously until someone sick enough to do it will answer: "yes of course, I´ll show you !"

Very bad idea to even bring up that question !!!

Especially for a not even finished sim like Cliffs of Dover. let me first get for what I paid, I still dont have it!!!

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

According to one of their past interviews they didn't want to go with a RoF-style business model, but stick to the way it was done in IL2 with complete expansion packs.

Could you please be so kind and give us source link ? A RoF-Style business model would be a nightmare and IMO the end of the series.

[Jaws2002]

I paid full price for two copies.
Until the major things are fixed I wouldn't pay for anything COD related.

[FlyingShark]

I would pay for additional content but I would not pay for necessary fixes.

So, paying for new planes, theatres, maps is ok for me but let them first fix the sim as it is now please.

~S~

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Thats all fine but as a moderator its worth knowing that your view point isn't what is generally accepted on these forums, but i'm sure you are already aware of that. Oh and for the record i very much do appreciate that you haven't banned me or all the others that feel the same way. Also, all the polls we have had do suggest that the mass majority of people on here do agree with my viewpoint, and further to that a very large amount of people who were once die hard Luthier supporters have changed thier opinion since the release, not because of the patch updates but because of the lack of communication. You are in the minority on this one, but like you have said you do have the ban button to fall back on should you want to change the tide.

Are you trying to imply once again that we are going to hand out bans to shut people's mouths or am i just misunderstanding things?

Anyway, many of the polls you talk about are worded in ways that are open to different interpretations. I voted in some of them in a way that was more in line to what you would have voted, but i still don't hold the same interpretation of them as you do.

That "grade the game" poll of a few weeks back showed the majority of people were giving it between 50% and 70%, so i fail to see how that makes you a majority when you graded it a 10%-20% if i'm not mistaken.

What i can certainly concede is that the people who talk the most and loudest are the ones that agree with you. It's exactly this which creates a false perception of majority, the visibility of it all.

The multitude of people who post infrequently but flood my PM box with complaints about certain behaviours and my e-mail account with automated messages from reported posts (with some very interesting and enlightening reasons for reporting them) give off an entirely different picture to which you are not privy.

You are in the minority all right, it's just that you lack access to the relevant data to realize it and your voice is loud enough to drown out any doubts you might be having.

I have no interest to debate this further really, so let's just agree to disagree here and each one of us can keep having their original opinion. I don't care if you are convinced by me, i know i won't be convinced by you either, so let's stop derailing the thread otherwise i'll have to end up moving both your and my posts to the arguments thread to keep this one on-topic

Originally Posted by Icebear

Could you please be so kind and give us source link ? A RoF-Style business model would be a nightmare and IMO the end of the series.

It's not a recent one, just one of their older interviews on simHQ. In any case, if they wanted to follow the RoF way they would have done it with the E-1 and stopped talking about the release of an SDK, so i think we don't have to worry about this unless a publisher decision overrides their own wishes.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Are you trying to imply once again that we are going to hand out bans to shut people's mouths or am i just misunderstanding things?

Anyway, many of the polls you talk about are worded in ways that are open to different interpretations. I voted in some of them in a way that was more in line to what you would have voted, but i still don't hold the same interpretation of them as you do.

That "grade the game" poll of a few weeks back showed the majority of people were giving it between 50% and 70%, so i fail to see how that makes you a majority when you graded it a 10%-20% if i'm not mistaken.

What i can certainly concede is that the people who talk the most and loudest are the ones that agree with you. It's exactly this which creates a false perception of majority, the visibility of it all.

The multitude of people who post infrequently but flood my PM box with complaints about certain behaviours and my e-mail account with automated messages from reported posts (with some very interesting and enlightening reasons for reporting them) give off an entirely different picture to which you are not privy.

You are in the minority all right, it's just that you lack access to the relevant data to realize it and your voice is loud enough to drown out any doubts you might be having.

I have no interest to debate this further really, so let's just agree to disagree here and each one of us can keep having their original opinion. I don't care if you are convinced by me, i know i won't be convinced by you either, so let's stop derailing the thread otherwise i'll have to end up moving both your and my posts to the arguments thread to keep this one on-topic







It's not a recent one, just one of their older interviews on simHQ. In any case, if they wanted to follow the RoF way they would have done it with the E-1 and stopped talking about the release of an SDK, so i think we don't have to worry about this unless a publisher decision overrides their own wishes.

Or we could take it to an online channel map and sort it out in the air?

[icarus]

One thing this poll shows clearly is that releasing an unfinished game in this condition hurts you in the long run for future sales. Also, the longer it takes to fix it, the more it will be difficult to regain any of those dollars. Its a real shame.

[Buzpilot]

Is this a official question, or just a stupid prank?
I don't see how asking such a stupid question in a alpha/beta state would do this community any good.