UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Rattlehead]

Arguments noted guys.

All I'm saying is that personally I choose to keep an open mind on the subject. That's all.
Hey, maybe 99.9% of what constitutes 'evidence' of UFO's existing is false and fake. But even if 0.1% seems to be genuine, then that to me is interesting.

Bongo - Apparently (and I say this with great caution) tapes have been pulled. Thing is, who gets to review them and decide if it's genuine or not?

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Lixma

False analogy.

We know 'black projects' exist because we do have evidence for them. I can visit the museum and walk around a U2, an SR-71 or a F-117. No doubt in 25 years i'll be able to examine whatever the Skunk Works is working on today.

On the other hand in over 50 years of breathless testimony no-one as yet has been able to prove the existence of even an Extra Terrestrial 'post-it' note, let alone space-ship.

And best of all are the government agencies. They have been magnificent, haven't they? Who knew they could keep such a secret under wraps for so long. Bravo.

Lixma, my point was that yes, we know black projects exist because we have been allowed to know. The SR-71 and other aircraft was eventually disclosed.
But how many years was that plane in development, being worked on ,tested, flown etc. before anyone outside of those that needed to know, knew a thing? And the same applies to any other plane that has come before or since as well. (Or any other piece of top-secret hardware for that matter.)

Who is the person or body that is running the inside scoop on the projects and revealing them to the public?

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Relax with the religious talk, mate. It's off-limits.

Nothing is off limits even mythology

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Not one eyewitness account NOT ONE. Where you come saying there is more proof for jesus than ufos' is incredible. what proof..the bible is not proof its a book of theology aka story book with nothing in history to corroborate it.

Calm down my friend, really. I'm not here to convert you from your UFO religion! I say "religion" because it seems you have the same sort of myopic zeal that some religious people have when their views are challenged by rational debate.

I just find it highly unlikely given what passes for "evidence" that ET has visited us, raped our cows and left sci-fi looking crop circles and aerobatics to enthrall us. Doesn't mean I'm right but let's just say I would take that bet any day of the week at good odds. Hell, in a way I wish I was wrong and some evidence would come forward since that would be the biggest scientific discovery of all time! Unfortunately, for all those years I wanted to believe, there just wasn't anything compelling enough - beyond some cool stories by sincere people - to lend any credence to the phenomenon.

Rattlesnake has the right outlook and makes a personal decision to believe there's something to the UFO phenomenon despite the unlikelyhood.

There's plenty of non-religious, yes circumstantial and sometimes circumspect, evidence of the existence of Jesus. His early Christianity wasn't even the most popular among the collection of prophets roaming around at the time, just that it was a useful tool for a certain future Roman emperor named Constantine...but that's another story.

Anyway, try not to take rational discussion personally and have an open mind to the possibility that everything you have wanted to believe may or may not be happening in the real world, and I will do the same!

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Nothing is off limits even mythology

Another assumption that can be shown as mistaken.

5. Political and religious discussions are prohibited.


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[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Lixma, my point was that yes, we know black projects exist because we have been allowed to know. The SR-71 and other aircraft was eventually disclosed.

The difference is that these aircraft/projects are conceived and controlled from day one by the government. They know exactly where these aircraft are and where they will be at any given moment. They have the luxury of dedicated, strictly off-limits test ranges in which to fly these aircraft and when they do venture out into public airspace the controllers know exactly the expected flight path. So if anything goes wrong there is an established infra-structure that will kick in to recover the aircraft ASAP. But all this is still at the mercy of the Real World. The U2 was as top secret as they come - and yet it went from first flight to being very publicly shot down in the space of just 5 years. Secrecy is almost impossible to maintain and easily lost.

Compare that to the ET situation. Allegedly, extra terrestrial craft are zooming about all over the globe. Presumably our governments have no say in where or when they fly. So if a saucer comes down (and is discovered) it will be the locals, the emergency services, the press and the police that come into contact with the wreckage/bodies long before the black helicopters even spool up their engines. The government will be the last ones to know and the last ones to react. But by that time it would have gotten out. And even if 'they' managed to put a lid on that particular crash there's always the next one. And the next one.

There is no government on Earth that could successfully keep the existence of regular visits/crashes by extra terrestrials under wraps. Goverments cannot control what they have no control over.

Sorry for getting all aphoristic at the end there.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by CharveL

I just find it highly unlikely given what passes for "evidence" that ET has visited us, raped our cows

I actually burst out laughing at that one.
If we start seeing cows with big onion heads and big dark scary eyes does that end the argument?

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by CharveL

Another assumption that can be shown as mistaken.

5. Political and religious discussions are prohibited.


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IM not discussing it. Im stating FACTS which are not up for discussion!

[patrat1]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Isnt thisthread about UFO's?? What does the size or speed of the universe have to do with UFO's??? Start a new thread on the origins of the universe already!!

actually the size and speed of the universe do have to do with the chances of there being alien civilizations out there. most people consider ufos to come from alien civilazations if im not mistaken.

but your right, we are getting off topic with discussing whether theres an outside or not to the universe. so i'll desist in discussing it further.

[Cataplasma]

This is a cg reproduction about what I saw in Italy in 2009. I don't know what it is but I remember that was quite scary...