UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Witness testimoney as well as photographic evidence indicates that in all likelyhood ET's are here. There is more proof of ET than OF Jesus and people actually think he was real and we have ZERO proof ofhis exsistance.
Check out these videos with credible military personnel from private to General talking about there UFO/ET experiances.

I read the book (The Disclosure Project) and I must say there are a heck of a lot of interesting accounts by people with excellent credentials. Fascinating read.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

I read the book (The Disclosure Project) and I must say there are a heck of a lot of interesting accounts by people with excellent credentials. Fascinating read.

Credentials, schmedentials.

Over half a century of testimony of people seeing lights in the skies.

Over half a century of chancers claiming to have worked at this secret base or that.

Over half a century of friends of cousins of grandfathers crawling out of the woodwork to claim they held in their hands some weird metallic material on a ranch in New Mexico.

Over half a century of special people and their 'support groups' drearily interpreting their nightmares as alien abductions.

Over half a century of reports of 'craft' travelling this way and that at hypersonic speed through the atmosphere.

Over half a century of hundreds of flying saucers crashing into every acre of land that ever heard of a 'Grey'.

Over a decade of practically everyone in North America and Europe having a camera-phone or cam-corder.

And yet....and yet....

Not one single nut.

Not one single bolt.

Not one sliver of tangible evidence that any of this fantasy has any basis in reality whatsoever.


BTW: Google Dr.Steven Greer + 'Vectoring In' if you want a good laugh. Alex Heard gives a good account of him in Apocalypse Pretty Soon....he's a nutcase. He's the Richard C. Hoagland for the UFO community.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Credentials, schmedentials.

Over half a century of testimony of people seeing lights in the skies.

Over half a century of chancers claiming to have worked at this secret base or that.

Over half a century of friends of cousins of grandfathers crawling out of the woodwork to claim they held in their hands some weird metallic material on a ranch in New Mexico.

Over half a century of special people and their 'support groups' drearily interpreting their nightmares as alien abductions.

Over half a century of reports of 'craft' travelling this way and that at hypersonic speed through the atmosphere.

Over half a century of hundreds of flying saucers crashing into every acre of land that ever heard of a 'Grey'.

Over a decade of practically everyone in North America and Europe having a camera-phone or cam-corder.

And yet....and yet....

Not one single nut.

Not one single bolt.

Not one sliver of tangible evidence that any of this fantasy has any basis in reality whatsoever.


BTW: Google Dr.Steven Greer + 'Vectoring In' if you want a good laugh. Alex Heard gives a good account of him in Apocalypse Pretty Soon....he's a nutcase. He's the Richard C. Hoagland for the UFO community.

Let me guess ...you think jesus is real though right with 2000 years of no evidence ha ha

[Lixma]

Umm....no.

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Let me guess ...you think jesus is real though right with 2000 years of no evidence ha ha

Actually, there is more evidence that Jesus (the man) existed, than for UFO's, which is far more than "zero". Yes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet there is none. NONE. All we are left with is a social phenomenon that is far more interesting in itself than a bunch of contradictory evidence about whether we get visited by aliens.

Even with that said, one can't logically discount the possibility any more than leprechaun invasions of Ireland, so I'll reserve total judgement until someone hands me a space-nut or bolt.

I think Jesus did exist, but whether the son of God, well...that's getting into religious discussion which I've no interest in, and would, incidentally, likely get this thread locked.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by CharveL

Actually, there is more evidence that Jesus (the man) existed, than for UFO's, which is far more than "zero". Yes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet there is none. NONE. All we are left with is a social phenomenon that is far more interesting in itself than a bunch of contradictory evidence about whether we get visited by aliens.

Even with that said, one can't logically discount the possibility any more than leprechaun invasions of Ireland, so I'll reserve total judgement until someone hands me a space-nut or bolt.

I think Jesus did exist, but whether the son of God, well...that's getting into religious discussion which I've no interest in, and would, incidentally, likely get this thread locked.

Not one eyewitness account NOT ONE. Where you come saying there is more proof for jesus than ufos' is incredible. what proof..the bible is not proof its a book of theology aka story book with nothing in history to corroborate it.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by CharveL

than for UFO's, which is far more than "zero". Yes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet there is none. NONE.

Not neccessarily.

The problems with evidence is that if for example Joe Soap alleges he saw or experienced something, he will either be labeled a crackpot or discredited. If someone in a position of importance sees or experiences something, he most likely will shut up about it. If not, he too would most likely be labeled a crackpot or dicredited. It's usually one or the other.

Hypothetical situation:

Some 'strange' craft crashes in my field. What do I do?
Well, most likely I would phone the local police station. They get to the scene and realise immediately that this is something that requires a higher authority. In comes the army/FBI.
Whatever evidence there is, will be confiscated right away in the interests of national security.

But let's say I don't phone the cops. I phone the local newspaper, or the local rag magazine. They come out, realise it's a huge story (potentially) and run a feature, claiming all sorts of wierd and wonderful things. There I stand with some strange piece of metal in a photo on the front page, claiming that it came from a UFO. I claim I have a truck load of the stuff back on my farm.

Depending on the credibility of the paper, it could go from a local joke into something more serious, and if so, I think I'd get a visit from a government agent before too long, if taken seriously.
Then what?

Maybe I send some pieces to a laboratory to be tested before notifying anyone. Maybe the test come back as 'unknown substance.' Would the lab phone me and tell me that, phone the local newspaper and ask them to run a story, or would they realise that they're dealing with something that needs to be reported to a higher authority like the military or a government agency? I'm guessing the latter?

No matter which way it goes, if something genuinely unexplained happened, then sooner or later (but most likely sooner) the military and government steps in, and they have all the resources under the sun to provide a counter-argument or provide counter-evidence to whatever people say. They have the authority to confiscate anything in anyone's possession in the interests of national security.

That to me is the problem with evidence in these cases.

But can we ignore the evidence of air, land and naval radar operators that have simultaneously tracked craft doing things and travelling speeds well beyond the envelope of any known aircraft? Why doesn't that count as evidence?
Is every single sighting (even by experienced pilots etc.) one of mistaken identity, tiredness or confusion?

Let's put it another way: no evidence of top secret black projects exist either. Not officially. Not one nut, one bolt. No evidence.
But we know they exist.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Not one eyewitness account NOT ONE. Where you come saying there is more proof for jesus than ufos' is incredible. what proof..the bible is not proof its a book of theology aka story book with nothing in history to corroborate it.

Relax with the religious talk, mate. It's off-limits.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Let's put it another way: no evidence of top secret black projects exist either. Not officially. Not one nut, one bolt. No evidence.
But we know they exist.

False analogy.

We know 'black projects' exist because we do have evidence for them. I can visit the museum and walk around a U2, an SR-71 or a F-117. No doubt in 25 years i'll be able to examine whatever the Skunk Works is working on today.

On the other hand in over 50 years of breathless testimony no-one as yet has been able to prove the existence of even an Extra Terrestrial 'post-it' note, let alone space-ship.

And best of all are the government agencies. They have been magnificent, haven't they? Who knew they could keep such a secret under wraps for so long. Bravo.

Relax with the religious talk, mate. It's off-limits.

This ET stuff actually is religious talk. Just look at the similarities....

UFO-Land has its own prophets to warn us of impending catastrophes. It has its own culturally specific witnesses, revered artefacts that get sent to some 'laboratory in Russia', dark forces pulling the strings in the background. Seems a hell of a lot of hard work to core out a cow's anus if you ask me.

[bongodriver]

But can we ignore the evidence of air, land and naval radar operators that have simultaneously tracked craft doing things and travelling speeds well beyond the envelope of any known aircraft? Why doesn't that count as evidence?
Is every single sighting (even by experienced pilots etc.) one of mistaken identity, tiredness or confusion?

radar traces are routinely recorded and can be saved in case of any significant event, why has no controller ever pulled the tapes on a claimed sighting? pilots are just people, we don't all think alike like robots, we are all as individual as the next person, so it is reasonable to assume 'some' pilots are inclined to believe in UFO's and magic fairies and will use their apparent social standing to prop up the credibility of their alleged sightings.

I for one don't believe the goverments of the world are capable of concealing any existence of ET's, if they really are visiting us then they are beyond the jurisdiction of our authorities, secret bases and installations are for nothing more than secret earthly research and development.