Very short development update

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Aaaargh! *facepalm* Beowolf, it was an example of an out of place joke, don't take it literally. Got a girlfriend btw, don't see the relation with needing a life, a girlfriend and the explanation of a joke out of place situation.

Great, if you expect other people to know what you mean, then you wont't have any problems to understand how other people mean it as well.

"Out of place" jokes, btw, are a very subjective matter. For me this update was great fun and carried more of a message in it then others obviously were able to recognize. And it certainly has much more character in it then a clinical update with points to be fixed and release dates included.

I suppose how you take it is a matter of character. Being the "glass is half full or half empty" kind of person. Do not expect to be able to push the "glass is half empty" attitude onto others just so.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

That doesn't apply to me. I think the devs are the holders of the holy grail of truth. If they want to fix it, it will be fixed. If they don't, you need to accept that it's a "feature" and not a bug.

A feature?! Seriously, you view obvious defects as features? So i'm assuming that if a patient has cancer or another type of disease or injury that you view this as a feature? The analogy may be extreme, but it's largely in-fitting.

It's posts like these which cause heated discussions, because they lack so much logic it's almost incomprehensible. If a feature of the game (let's call it a feature-feature for your sake) was working, but then was broken in a following patch, is that then a broken feature, or just a feature? Clearly the former, and clearly also a bug.
Not everything can be fixed; most types of cancer are an example, however there is a timeframe in which the issue can be alleviated and brought back up to standard. This is possible in CloD, but if every customer was able to hide a broken mess of a game (for example) behind a facade of quirky features, then the devs would have no reason to improve the game. You really are every bored-developers wet dream, aren't you?!

[bongodriver]

Aww.....bugger it, why don't we all arrange a date for the future where we all meet up in a bar, get trashed and have a massive punch up.....see who wins and that will settle it

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Lant

So youre cool with buying full-prize stuff that doesnt work because "sometime" it might get fixed?

He didn't say he was cool with it. He said that he isn't going to rail, wail, whine and moan on a board just because the game was pure and utter crap.

When it comes to software-products, there's always the risk of what looks like a fine glass of wine will be colored pisswater. When that happens, you also need to remember that most if not all software-products come with a very extensive EULA/ToS, which also very often clearly states that the product is sold "as is", and that it's your responsibility if you find it lacking. They also state that you can return the game to where you bought it, and if you choose to do that, it's a case between you and the seller, not between you and the producer.

Caveat Emptor is in effect for any and all pieces of software you buy.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Great, if you expect other people to know what you mean, then you wont't have any problems to understand how other people mean it as well.

"Out of place" jokes, btw, are a very subjective matter. For me this update was great fun and carried more of a message in it then others obviously were able to recognize. And it certainly has much more character in it then a clinical update with points to be fixed and release dates included.

I suppose how you take it is a matter of character. Being the "glass is half full or half empty" kind of person. Do not expect to be able to push the "glass is half empty" attitude onto others just so.

the point is that what Luthier has posted here was no update, but yet another stunt to stir the arguments and gain time.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, because I believe that everyone is free to express their opinion, but I'm not standing for people being disrespectful of my opinion, showing an arrogance that is in line with the devs at the moment.

..still didn't get what you were talking about re. needing a girlfriend and getting a life though..

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Aww.....bugger it, why don't we all arrange a date for the future where we all meet up in a bar, get trashed and have a massive punch up.....see who wins and that will settle it

At 6'2" and 20 stones, you're pushing your luck mate lol

but yeah, wish that a large group of us could catch up somewhere

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

At 6'2" and 20 stones, you're pushing your luck mate lol

but yeah, wish that a large group of us could catch up somewhere

I beat you by an inch and loose by 5 stone, but I can drink vodka like a russian sailor.

[robtek]

Philip.ed

if you are able to look back in the threads for a few months, you would see that there were quite a few "Bug" - reports that called out unrecognized features!

[JG52Uther]

I've met many people in the il2 community over the years,from many different countries. Oleg Maddox and Ilya Shevchenko (Luthier), quite a few JG52, Danger dogz, various EAF members.
Never felt the need for a punch up when meeting them face to face

Forums bring out the worst in people, and trolls,who would never dream of meeting you in real life, or even speaking to you on comms, have a perfect arena to play in.
Personally I'm going to stop asking and start waiting.If it works out,great. If it doesn't I shall just drift away.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

the point is that what Luthier has posted here was no update, but yet another stunt to stir the arguments and gain time.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, because I believe that everyone is free to express their opinion, but I'm not standing for people being disrespectful of my opinion, showing an arrogance that is in line with the devs at the moment.

..still didn't get what you were talking about re. needing a girlfriend and getting a life though..

I simply go by Einstein "Stupidity is doing the same thing again and again and still expecting a different result". If you consider that arrogance, so be it.

And if you want to have a more elaborate explaination in regards to getting a life, then consider spending valuable life time on spamming a forum for nothing but a development update and your subjective understanding of what such an update should include.