Very short development update

[robtek]

1+ Skoshi Tiger,

you said it as i've would if i had your way with words

[Sternjaeger II]

man, there's no point. If anything I have learned yet another lesson about human nature: even when you think there can't be any other possible side to a discussion, here comes one.

Some of you are turning it into a matter of who's right and who's wrong, the sad reality is that we're all on the same side, we just have different patience thresholds.

The truth is that objectively, no private business can behave like this and think to get away with it, and Maddox Games is no different. Yes, there's not much we can do, but the truth is that this kind of behaviour will only make things bitter until they prove that our concerns are unmotivated.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Sorry for butting in as the question was directed to Robotek but, how long is too late for whom?

For many who have been expressing their dissatisfaction I would probably say it's already too late. It obvious from some of the comments that there is nothing that the developers could do to appease some people and that they're just here to stir the pot.

meh, these kind of people left the forum long ago, I think we're left with the hard core of fans here.

For the developers it will be to late as soon as a competitor releases an alternative that is better, has more features and is more stable. As a community we are quite a fickle bunch and It's in the developers best interest to get the problems sorted out as quickly as possible. They have a short window of opportunity. I would assume that Alienating enthusiast like your-self who have shown a long term commitment to the original series and community is not their intentions

Hardly. Can't think of any valid alternative being developed, Maddox knows this well and that's why they're behaving like this, which is even more despicable. But yes, if it happens they can kiss their moderate success goodbye.

So far I haven't seen any evidence that the developers haven't been 'pulling their fingers out' (I'ld assume they'd be working as hard as they could be), but 'getting it right' may be a bit harder to achieve. Quick fixes may not be the best course of action in the long run. 'Hopefully' they are doing it right and hopefully it doesn't take too long.

Cheers!

again, this is a misinterpretation of what most of us are asking: we don't need updates on petty things, just updates made in an intelligent manner from a very intelligent person who shows respect and facts to other intelligent people.

[robtek]

They presented facts!

some people took offense by the presentation.

It seems as if there wasn't more to tell, atm.

To evaluate the intelligence of the poster of the presentation by it is very daring, as some replyers took this post as witty, funny even hilarious.

Regarding to the post before your last:

So just give them some time to prove it, i'd say.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Sorry for butting in as the question was directed to Robotek but, how long is too late for whom?

For many who have been expressing their dissatisfaction I would probably say it's already too late. It obvious from some of the comments that there is nothing that the developers could do to appease some people and that they're just here to stir the pot.

For the developers it will be to late as soon as a competitor releases an alternative that is better, has more features and is more stable. As a community we are quite a fickle bunch and It's in the developers best interest to get the problems sorted out as quickly as possible. They have a short window of opportunity. I would assume that Alienating enthusiast like your-self who have shown a long term commitment to the original series and community is not their intentions

So far I haven't seen any evidence that the developers haven't been 'pulling their fingers out' (I'ld assume they'd be working as hard as they could be), but 'getting it right' may be a bit harder to achieve. Quick fixes may not be the best course of action in the long run. 'Hopefully' they are doing it right and hopefully it doesn't take too long.


Cheers!

Your prob right Tiger, i dont think the "team" haven't been working as hard as they can, i should edit my post.

I guess i mean the lead and direction of the team and development has been shambolic "in my eyes".

To me, some of the development decisions have been almost deliberately made to hinder COD.

Thats where im coming from, i hope you understand me better now.

[Lant]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

I find it hysterical the way many make out they have taken out a mortgage to buy this game or that buying CloD was the largest investment that have made in their lives... comical. I can't step outside my front door without spending £30.

Get over it, the game was released early, in a beta state, patches are coming that with luck will rectify it... but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient. Some pills are tough to swallow.

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

So youre cool with buying full-prize stuff that doesnt work because "sometime" it might get fixed?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by robtek

They presented facts!

some people took offense by the presentation.

It seems as if there wasn't more to tell, atm.

To evaluate the intelligence of the poster of the presentation by it is very daring, as some replyers took this post as witty, funny even hilarious.

Regarding to the post before your last:

So just give them some time to prove it, i'd say.

I've just read a brilliant quote from a forum member in another thread, by a certain Albert Einstein, who said "You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother".

Here's how I would explain it to my grandma: "Grandma, the whole Luthier last post thing is like making a joke in a place where it's totally uncalled for, like, I dunno, a joke on concentration camps during a Jewish funeral?"

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I've just read a brilliant quote from a forum member in another thread, by a certain Albert Einstein, who said "You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother".

Here's how I would explain it to my grandma: "Grandma, the whole Luthier last post thing is like making a joke in a place where it's totally uncalled for, like, I dunno, a joke on concentration camps during a Jewish funeral?"

You really need a life, comparing a development update with a holocaust joke is a good indicator for "girlfriend urgently required".

The question is simply one of personality, being the "glass is half full or glass is half empty" type of person. Did you follow IL2? Then you know it's going to be fixed. The way updates in a forum are handled are as important to this process as a dancing mechanic is to fixing a car. It's nice, it's a bonus, ppl feel better but when it comes to fixing the product, it's totally redundant.
Lot's of prima donnas here, though, prefering style over substance.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

You really need a life, comparing a development update with a holocaust joke is a good indicator for "girlfriend urgently required".

Aaaargh! *facepalm* Beowolf, it was an example of an out of place joke, don't take it literally. Got a girlfriend btw, don't see the relation with needing a life, a girlfriend and the explanation of a joke out of place situation.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Ok, this is going around in circles obviously, so let me take one quote that struck me in particular to illustrate how the "middle of the road" people view you guys. The quote is by Furbs, but it could just as easily have been a post by Tree or David. Ready? Let's go then ............................

Blackdog, I can't really disagree with much you say but I do believe we have a right to be told progress on the repair of our faulty goods. Its that simple and stands up in any other commercial/retail case. That is in fact a 'middle of the road' approach, I am not demanding my money back because I want to stay with them, I am not threatening to sue them or refer them/UBI to a Trading Standards body, I just want to know what I can expect by way of meaningful information.

I have suggested that Luthier give us meaningful status reports on the progress of the key faults in a locked thread and if people want to scream at each other they can raise their own thread. I won't be in there because I am really only interested in what Luthier has to say.

The reason some of us post and post again is in the hope that our posts will catch Luthier's eye among the other debris in here. We do not have any other way of getting his attention. What really worries me is that he must have heard our simple case but he still doesn't give his paid-up customers a simple status report on key defects in their product. I don't call that viewpoint 'disrespecting Luthier' but I think MG have fallen into the trap of disrespecting their customers. They are in default.

I think the majority of people in these threads are behind MG and CoD or they just wouldn't be here. Some are happy to wait indefinitely for a patch, some of us are not. That doesn't give the former the right to speak on MGs behalf and it doesn't make the latter expectation wrong but you are right that we keep getting dragged into old arguments that actually do not need to exist and would not if MG would simply keep us properly informed.