hello luthier!

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Ataros

Funboys improve sales and encourage the devs.

Whiners reduce sales and discourage the devs.

Quite simple.

Fanboys can't really judge a product, while whiners do it harshly: you know that without critics a product can't improve (damn... there were tools enjoying the sound engine!).

It's not whiners' fault if the the sales are not improving: it's the develpers' fault. Luckly Ubi is not really vocal about this game... at least they are honest; can you really deceive the customers selling them an unfinished application? I can't...

I repeat again: almost all the guys in my squad bought the game the day it was released in Europe. We had faith and defended it, we have talked about it to our friends because we believed Luthier's words (far more than Oleg's ones)... anyway in the last months we ALL lost our patience (even Insuber who was the most loyal... still I can't understand how he can "fly" online...)

The whiners can be hushed only by telling them the truth! I had no problem to support the team with my money once or twice. But I need to be assured by the developer that they are working in the right way...

Sadly nothing seems to right this way... starting the development of a new theatre is not that I would to hear until the engine core is ok. Blaming an anti-eplilessy filter for the bad performance was not the right way. Nor is the lack of communication/news.

Well... I gave my support but I can't really defend this game like I did before.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

Fanboys can't really judge a product, while whiners do it harshly: you know that without critics a product can't improve (damn... there were tools enjoying the sound engine!).

Moaners don`t criticize the product. They intend on killing it before it has a chance to blossom.

It's not whiners' fault if the the sales are not improving: it's the develpers' fault. Luckly Ubi is not really vocal about this game... at least they are honest; can you really deceive the customers selling them an unfinished application? I can't...

Funny. I`ve seen a good number of AAA titles that deceived their customers too. Hardly any game today comes out finished.

I repeat again: almost all the guys in my squad bought the game the day it was released in Europe. We had faith and defended it, we have talked about it to our friends because we believed Luthier's words (far more than Oleg's ones)... anyway in the last months we ALL lost our patience (even Insuber who was the most loyal... still I can't understand how he can "fly" online...)

Really? How in the heaven`s did you manage to stay with IL2 then?
Oh wait, you prolly bought it in 2005.

The whiners can be hushed only by telling them the truth! I had no problem to support the team with my money once or twice. But I need to be assured by the developer that they are working in the right way...

The whiners won`t shut up. We`ve had a number of their "ultimatums" fulfilled by 1C, yet, they keep on barking.

Sadly nothing seems to right this way... starting the development of a new theatre is not that I would to hear until the engine core is ok. Blaming an anti-eplilessy filter for the bad performance was not the right way. Nor is the lack of communication/news.

Sorry to hear this. If you describe numerous updates long over the industry`s average and three patches, freebies and incoming releases of another such content "nothing" then I rest my case.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Moaners don`t criticize the product. They intend on killing it before it has a chance to blossom.

But who does decide if the poster is a moaner or not? If moaners are the ones who constantly spit their venom on the game again and again by single sentences then I can agree: but saying that the landscape's colors are bad, the sound engine is horrible and so on does not make a poster a whiner. It's stating facts: then everybody is entitle to their opinion but there's still a limit to one person's intelligence.

Ok let's ban the whiners but please ban also the unbelievable fanboys ("I like the sounds!" "The flames are perfect" ect... I can't stand them: at least Tree makes me smile)
Better than the ban there is the Ignore List; people should learn to use it and not the Report function that should be used only in extreme episodes. Guys who constanly report other poster should be the first to be banned.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Funny. I`ve seen a good number of AAA titles that deceived their customers too. Hardly any game today comes out finished.

Not like this one: in my experience with VGs (and it's very high... actually I have 114 games in my Steam account... and I can't count the ones without Steam support) I've never seen a game in this state: it's because of this that in the past I stated that CloD does not need fixes... it needs a good design. The typical bug to be fixed is the famous crash we have on many games, the memory leak ect... here we have optimization and important parts of the game that are not working at all. I'm not talking about the weather module or the sea: I mean the phantom trees... The collisions should be well managed in a released version. Then the UIs ect.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Really? How in the heaven`s did you manage to stay with IL2 then?
Oh wait, you prolly bought it in 2005.

Forgotten Battles. I tested the first IL2 (the demo) but I had no peripheral devices.

Originally Posted by carguy_

The whiners won`t shut up. We`ve had a number of their "ultimatums" fulfilled by 1C, yet, they keep on barking.

The board was not in this state a month ago. Am I the only one who see many more posters losing their patience? It's never been like now or probably we had the same thing against the guiltless Ubi when Ilya blamed the fake anti-epilessy filter (still I can't swallow it): so why now? Maybe it's because there are no news and the dev team seems to not look at this board when there are many patience people who would give them an hand (look at the Insuber's thread).

Originally Posted by carguy_

Sorry to hear this. If you describe numerous updates long over the industry`s average and three patches, freebies and incoming releases of another such content "nothing" then I rest my case.

You are free to rest your case: the 3 patches are needed because the game was/is unfinished, the freebies (you mean the E1?) are only premade contents (the E1 is a E4 with MG... not really a different model... a junior developer can add material in this way, probably their code differs in only one line. If one day we will get the Su26 this will not be a freebie, nor will be boats and tanks.. the released game should have them from the start looking at the updates we had in these years) and the incoming releases will not be gratis.

Look I'm not really a person who like to eat a lot of food but I like to eat good food. Few planes are enough for me... few but well made (it's still a simulator). I don't want return to the days that the freebies from 1C were full of problems since they don't look at them (Oleg's requested quality was not so high.. look at the first flyable Ju88 without armor... ).

Let me pay for every new package (as we did with IL2...) and release that damned SDK so people can improve this game. But first of all build a complete working engine. I don't care to have 10 expensive cars if there is not street around me.