What a tracer should look like (before spazzing just look).

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Why do people think that calibre is relevant, the point of light is a glow produced by a phosphor based substance, it burns bright and bigger than the calibre, that phosphor also burns at constant rate like a match so its all or nothing, it just burns and dies suddenly, and tracer rounds 'will' appear as a streak of light even if viewed from directly behind...at least initially when the round has just left the muzzle, when the round gets further down range the streak becomes a point and then it just dies.

Thanks, saved me the trouble.

[winny]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Thanks, saved me the trouble.

I never said there was no streak, just that its angle is off. That's all.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Winny. When you pull G's in any plane in this sim, you can see the effects of the tracers. They are not always straight. (arcing) But they will never zig zag EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with relation to movement. When you are sitting in a moving aircraft the guns and your body are moving the same speed. In other words, you might as well be stationary. It's no different than thinking that you can jump at the last second when an elevator is falling to save your yourself. Your problem is you think your body (in this airplane scenario) isn't moving right along with the weapon.

Anyhow, I'll say it one last time. Tracers go straight. Tracers look straight. Regardless if you are firing from an MRAP bouncing all over the place at 70mph or from an airplane going 200mph bouncing all over the place.

It's quite obvious that you don't have any experience in the matter.

[winny]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

Winny. When you pull G's in any plane in this sim, you can see the effects of the tracers. They are not always straight. (arcing) But they will never zig zag EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with relation to movement. When you are sitting in a moving aircraft the guns and your body are moving the same speed. In other words, you might as well be stationary. It's no different than thinking that you can jump at the last second when an elevator is falling to save your yourself. Your problem is you think your body (in this airplane scenario) isn't moving right along with the weapon.

Anyhow, I'll say it one last time. Tracers go straight. Tracers look straight. Regardless if you are firing from an MRAP bouncing all over the place at 70mph or from an airplane going 200mph bouncing all over the place.

It's quite obvious that you don't have any experience in the matter.

I don't need experience, just a pen and paper.

I admit it's an abstract concept, but it's something that you can measure.

I really have to emphasise the difference between the bullet which I know always goes straight, and the streak effect in the eye.

If you were right behind a tracer bullet it would look like a circle getting smaller, no streak. If you pull up hard the tracer bullet will move down your view until it disapears. At the points it is actually moving down the scene the streak must be behind it this would mean that something mving away from you would have it's streak in front of it (relative to it's flightpath). It's this that I'm trying to get across, not zig-zag, hollywood etc... just something organic that happens that is subtle.

I am not campaigning for this to happen in CoD either. It started as an observation as to why some people find CoD's tracers slightly off.

[ATAG_Bliss]

No. To know what you are talking about with regards to how something looks like, you need experience. You can jabber on your pen and paper all you want to but that will never change the fact to what a tracer round looks like to your naked eye.

If you are right behind a tracer, it looks like a dot, not a circle. The streak effect in the eye is ONLY (let me reiterate this for the 1000X) Only is going to happen if you are FOCUSING on that individual round. NEVER will it happen if the round simply comes into your vision.

I have to ask, because it seems like you are lobbying for something that is already there. Have you played IL2COD? Because the relationship between how straight the tracers appear (in game) are all relative to where you are in relation to firing them. If you turn hard when you are firing they do exactly like they should (which seems like that's what you are promoting)

Please go fire up the game. It seems like you are arguing for something that you didn't even know already existed in the 1st place.

[winny]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

If you are right behind a tracer, it looks like a dot, not a circle. The streak effect in the eye is ONLY (let me reiterate this for the 1000X) Only is going to happen if you are FOCUSING on that individual round. NEVER will it happen if the round simply comes into your vision.

What shape is a tracer round from behind? Circular. What shape is a dot? Circular. I didn't say sphere. (Very petty too)

So you're saying that you can only see tracers that you are focusing on?

How does a 'dot' of light that is travelling across the back of your eye not leave a trail? If you're focused on it or not.

I'm not lobbying, I don't care if it's included or not, as you mentioned the current ones are quite good . It's merely an observation.

I'm actually just defending my argument.

It's a fact that the streak should always be at 180 degrees to the movement across the screen and it's length dictated by the relative speed across the screen, there is no depth involved the dot just gets smaller and dimmer. CoD sometimes breaks this rule, ever so slightly - all I was doing was trying to explain the subtle difference that some people have picked up on.

It's the constant 'you don't know what you are talking about' posts that make me want to reply.
All I need to understand is that bright light leaves a trail behind it when it moves. Then work out the path it would take relative to the camera/eye/screen.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Oh boy. Here's an example of a circle ( O ). Notice how the inside is void. A tracer from behind does not look like that as it has no void.

The streak effect I was referring to is the effect YOU were talking about. (Remember your flashlight / candle analogy?) That only can happen if you are trying to focus on a single round.

Who said a dot of light didn't have a trail? A tracer produces a streak of light meaning not just a dot (depending on your offset position) And once you actually fire them, you'll realize that the front of that trail and the back of that trail look virtually identical (aka a straight line). And that line is there because your eyes are not good enough to simply focus on an object moving at that rate of speed. That's why once you TRY to do this that line can get all sorts of goofy looking.

I'm done arguing. This is pointless.