crash at duxford today [2011]

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by engadin

A perfect video here:

BTW, where was the Skyrider pilot looking at? He had the whole bl***y sky for him to fly through but that tiny room occupied by the P-51 itself! Sorry, but I feel so terribly ungry .....

Engadin

I have to say I agree, the skyraider pilot seemed at fault, but did a great job bringing it home.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by engadin

A perfect video here:

BTW, where was the Skyrider pilot looking at? He had the whole bl***y sky for him to fly through but that tiny room occupied by the P-51 itself! Sorry, but I feel so terribly ungry .....

Engadin

first of all thanks for the very good video, and yes, it's obvious the Skyrider pilot lost visual contact and went too brisk on his manoeuvre, but it's again a fault of who organised the Balbo itself, you don't break off from a Vic formation like that with planes that operate at different speeds. We'll see what the CAA will tell.

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

first of all thanks for the very good video, and yes, it's obvious the Skyrider pilot lost visual contact and went too brisk on his manoeuvre, but it's again a fault of who organised the Balbo itself, you don't break off from a Vic formation like that with planes that operate at different speeds. We'll see what the CAA will tell.

GHOUL!!!!!!! Lol!

Shame the video has been removed though

[II./JG1_Wilcke]

Depends, on how the pre-flight brief went down. Aviation is very unforgiving of any inattentions or mistakes.

The Skyraider is a beast of an aircraft, loads of damage and it still made it home!

[Trumper]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

GHOUL!!!!!!! Lol!

Shame the video has been removed though

May be this one http://www.flyingfilm.co.uk/

[Trumper]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well some of the nearby fields are privately held, and you can't forbid people to go there if the land owner is ok with it unfortunately.

But yeah, they're pushing the boundaries and there are two or three usual suspects that fly well outside safety measures..

The airfield is surrounded by roads and a built up area on 2 sides.
Luckily the fields are big enough to lessen the chances of a major incident BUT i personally have seen Black 6 109 bounce over the M11 , a Harvard land in the field opposite,Firefly crossing a public road and crashing into a field adjacent to housing,P38 debris bouncing over the M11.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Trumper

The airfield is surrounded by roads and a built up area on 2 sides.
Luckily the fields are big enough to lessen the chances of a major incident BUT i personally have seen Black 6 109 bounce over the M11 , a Harvard land in the field opposite,Firefly crossing a public road and crashing into a field adjacent to housing,P38 debris bouncing over the M11.

yeah, it's a bit of a short blanket, you can't cover all safety aspects. But they really really need to brief pilots better and make sure things are clear and redundant, it's not a racing or aerobatic competition.

I am afraid that after this one they will receive SERIOUS restrictions, if not a shutdown.. let's hope they're allowed to redesign their display with safer parameters.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

it's not a matter of what you can salvage, it's a matter of bureaucracy/paperwork.. you can't save much from there, but enough to reuse the same reg. Give it a 4 years time and you might see her back in the air, better than before..

So it would be a completely new AC, with the old reg though.
What's so important about the reg?

[ElAurens]

I have seen a mid 50's Ferrari that was "rebuilt" from nothing more than the original serial number plate and a door hinge. (After a fire). Totally accepted by the Ferrari cognoscenti.

There is nothing new about this. Certain vehicles, be they earth bound or airborne, command values that make raising them from the ashes a profitable proposition.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

So it would be a completely new AC, with the old reg though.
What's so important about the reg?

Well one thing is a restoration of an existing aircraft,which was registered under an aviation authority (the German one in this specific case,since the plane had just been bought) and was classified under "North American Aviation P-51D Mustang",and another is building a mustang from nothing,which in the US would go under the Expedimental category,but won't be accepted in Europe. Truth is that it's the same thing,cos it will be an extensive rebuild of the plane,but if you manage to save a minor part of the original hull,you can still claim it as the original machine. The fact that BBD didn't catch fire means that someone will buy the wreck and build himself a Mustang from scratch,using other parts from other planes and a zeroed Merlin,it's only aatter of time. There are genuine warbirds out there,and reassembled ones,which are as good (if not better!) than the others,but dont have a pedigree.
Back in the days it didnt really matter,but now collectors look into this a lot.