For those against Digital sales (also Steam).

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by pupo162

not true. Ive borken my BF2 CD, easy fix. torrent it, put in my ORIGINAL cd-key. Torrents do exist for more than piracy, dispite what most believe.

Yeah and you have a good chance of torrenting a virus/trojan down with the game. Have fun.

[pupo162]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Yeah and you have a good chance of torrenting a virus/trojan down with the game. Have fun.

I trust my friends far mroe than i trust steam. Be sure.

I think the Steam deal was done because the Dev's knew how bad the release would be, if it had been released soley in the shops half of them would of been returned by now with refunds given, the fact you cannot get a refund through steam was a very clever move and has kept the cash in Olegs pocket. Obviously not so good for us, Ive never had any problems with any game through steam before but CLOD disconnects frequently, obviously bad coding again rather than Steam.

[MadTommy]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I think the Steam deal was done because the Dev's knew how bad the release would be, if it had been released soley in the shops half of them would of been returned by now with refunds given, the fact you cannot get a refund through steam was a very clever move and has kept the cash in Olegs pocket.

What a load of clap trap.

For a start you can get refunds from Steam, at least in the EU as they are regulated by the Distance Selling Directive. You have 7 days to return them, you don't even need a reason.

The rest of what you are sayings is pure BS. Steam is just a great way to get your product to millions of prospective customers.

[Space Communist]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I think the Steam deal was done because the Dev's knew how bad the release would be, if it had been released soley in the shops half of them would of been returned by now with refunds given, the fact you cannot get a refund through steam was a very clever move and has kept the cash in Olegs pocket. Obviously not so good for us, Ive never had any problems with any game through steam before but CLOD disconnects frequently, obviously bad coding again rather than Steam.

This is pretty hilarious because I actually did return CloD on steam. I had it pre-ordered but then when they kept pushing back the NA release I just got a refund then ordered it from Justflight.

Besides which, most physical copies of games (software in general really) are impossible to return after the package has been opened.

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

I respect your decision but i never understand this point. What is the issue with digital purchases? You can burn a DVD if you want, not sure why you'd want to though.

A physical disk can get damaged & lost, but these are not issues with digital purchases and there is no disadvantage that i can think of from using a digital download.

So please tell me why are some people so anti digital?

hows that server running?

S!

[MadTommy]

Originally Posted by Thee_oddball

hows that server running?

S!

Its not.. as you know But that has nothing to do with a digital download.. if i had purchased it from a retail store i'd still have the same issue.

Steam sell millions of games and host thousands of servers.. I'd eat my shorts if the problem with CloD server disconnecting from Steam was a Steam caused problem. Steam might be burdened with trying to support it.. but i bet its a CloD problem.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by Space Communist

This is pretty hilarious because I actually did return CloD on steam. I had it pre-ordered but then when they kept pushing back the NA release I just got a refund then ordered it from Justflight.

Besides which, most physical copies of games (software in general really) are impossible to return after the package has been opened.

You can only cancel a pre-order. (In the US atleast).

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

Its not.. as you know But that has nothing to do with a digital download.. if i had purchased it from a retail store i'd still have the same issue.

Steam sell millions of games and host thousands of servers.. I'd eat my shorts if the problem with CloD server disconnecting from Steam was a Steam caused problem. Steam might be burdened with trying to support it.. but i bet its a CloD problem.

digital download is one thing...but being locked into to steam is another...theres no third party that can shut down our 1946 server whether there is a problem or not...if a server on HL has a problem it does not take all the other servers with it.

not being able to give/sell my game when i am done with it just means i didn't buy it i was renting at a deeply discounted rate.

i was indifferent to steam (i had RO on steam) but now i am beginning to see the posibilty for this to turn ugly for the consumer...Steam is a business and as such there bottom line is all that matters and they already have the lions share of the market i can see them in the future introducing a $1.95 monthly service fee for new accounts...why? because they can .because they have the lions share.

I dont mind the DDL but i don't want Tobe locked to the same company.
Now all that being said it does not matter what anyone here thinks....the matter is out of our hands...we are just along for the ride

S!

[Blackdog_kt]

I like having a choice to use a DD, but i also like having a choice to use a different method for the reasons already mentioned by other forum posters before me (user-made mods and customizations, being able to do whatever you want on your own installation,etc).

As for why 1c went with Steam, i think they wanted a ready to use framework to regulate mods and separate legitimate mods from cheats during the life of the new sim.

Steam hasn't been too troublesome for me but i still dislike the fact that i have to do all the run,login,wait for popups, reset my preferences (because it overrides them all the time) routine before i can fly. I also dislike the fact that it's essentially a rental service that can be shut down at a moment's notice. Other than that it has functioned as advertised on my PC and allowed me to install the sim a bit earlier than i otherwise would (i had a relative abroad pick up a collector's edition for me and e-mail me the serial so i could download it, instead of having to wait for the physical box to arrive in the mail).

I think that once things stabilize we might get a choice of using it, one way or the other. Like it's already been pointed out, torrents have more uses than piracy and i've found them very useful in the past. Whenever i buy a game my usual routine is to download the same game on a torrent, disable copy protection on my installation (i have already paid for the game so it's not piracy) and keep my discs in a good condition and my game time to my own discretion, independent of any third party services and the potential technical overhead and possible problems that might occur. Needless to say, i've never had any security related trouble (trojans, viruses and the like), all it takes is scanning the files before using them to mod my legally purchased game.