IL2 and Sound Modding

[jasonbirder]

One thing I can quite plainly see from reading the latter part of this discussion is that online players are obsessed with cheating, fairness, level playing fields and dishonesty.
It must be a peculiarly joyless pastime if you can't trust the people you are playing with and you constantly obsess about whether the so called "friends" you are playing with are trying to get "one over on you".

[robtek]

@ jasonbirder

of course the online - community is very interested in fairness and against dishonesty and cheating.
Aren´t you ???
And i can talk only for me, but i wouldn´t call anybody a friend whom i only know online.
When i play online there are players from all over the world and it is statistically unavoidable not to have some dishonest and or cheating people amongst them.
Maybe i wont meet them again if ever, but those people are able to take the fun out of this game at that time for me.

There is another post who shows a new map, now that is a different pair of shoes.
It would really be great to get new maps as they are equal for everybody, but it has to be officially approved by OM and i think with SOWBOB at the Horizon a Channel Map is contraindicated.

best wishes

robtek

[Spectrum]

Originally Posted by robtek

@ jasonbirder
There is another post who shows a new map, now that is a different pair of shoes.
It would really be great to get new maps as they are equal for everybody, but it has to be officially approved by OM and i think with SOWBOB at the Horizon a Channel Map is contraindicated

On the site where the map work is posted there have been various requests to extend the map west to allow more BoB type scenarios. The mapmaker has stated quite clearly that they do not intend to do this because of possible conflict with OM SoWBoB. The main aim of the map shown is to cover Battle of France, although it will also facilitate other scenarios. In any event I don't think the two are really in conflict because the technical standard of SoW is going to be so far in advance of IL-2.

[jasonbirder]

Its not an issue for me because I never fly on Hyper Lobby Open Dogfight Servers…when I do fly with others its with a few people who I know in the “real world” on a peer to peer basis – so unfairness, dishonesty and cheating aren’t an issue…I don’t have to worry about cheating, I don’t have to worry about bad sportsmanship, bad language or name-calling on teamspeak or stupid comments in the chat line…I can just enjoy it in the company of friends!
The point I was trying to make is that if online cheating is a problem…its not the fault of third party modifications, it’s the fault of people who are using them in in-appropriate situations – and that can only be changed either by stronger sever administration, password only or subscription based servers or by flying with people you know.
As long as you fly with anonymous people in a dogfight server where a “win at all costs” stat driven mentality prevails then cheating or bad sportsmanship is something that will concern you…and that is something that has existed long before the development of the current, third party mods.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Its not an issue for me because I never fly on Hyper Lobby Open Dogfight Servers…when I do fly with others its with a few people who I know in the “real world” on a peer to peer basis – so unfairness, dishonesty and cheating aren’t an issue…I don’t have to worry about cheating, I don’t have to worry about bad sportsmanship, bad language or name-calling on teamspeak or stupid comments in the chat line…I can just enjoy it in the company of friends!
The point I was trying to make is that if online cheating is a problem…its not the fault of third party modifications, it’s the fault of people who are using them in in-appropriate situations – and that can only be changed either by stronger sever administration, password only or subscription based servers or by flying with people you know.
As long as you fly with anonymous people in a dogfight server where a “win at all costs” stat driven mentality prevails then cheating or bad sportsmanship is something that will concern you…and that is something that has existed long before the development of the current, third party mods.

+1 I see cheating every time I go into a public dogfight server,every time,and it has nothing to do with mods.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

The point I was trying to make is that if online cheating is a problem…its not the fault of third party modifications, it’s the fault of people who are using them in in-appropriate situations –

Oh boy you sure got carried away there.The point is false simply because the sim was not meant for open modding.The developper did not open it, so hackers` interference is the source of the chaos that will surely plague online. It was meant to be closed, they opened it, they take the responsibility for destroying online IL2 gaming and BTW the whole online IL2 community. The point is you did not get any kind of developper acceptation on this. Detaching yourself from consequences of such an event is a one big lie. You know damn good that you make damage.

and that can only be changed either by stronger sever administration, password only or subscription based servers or by flying with people you know.
As long as you fly with anonymous people in a dogfight server where a “win at all costs” stat driven mentality prevails then cheating or bad sportsmanship is something that will concern you…and that is something that has existed long before the development of the current, third party mods.

Newsflash dude - your hacker heroes don`t give a damn about preventing the obvious consequences for online playing.
HL is an environment that is you want to fly coops you are sentenced to flying with people you don`t know because at least 16 players are required to make some of it. To make online sessions merely smooth ie. going constantly you need to multiply that number by at least 10. If HL at rushhours counts up to 1200 players then it is much too small to afford closed sessions. Show me someone who knows 160 people online and is 100% sure they won`t cheat.Nothing like that exists in HL. Because for all you know ONE of them in each coop spoils the entertainment FOR EVERYONE.

You and me agree that bad sportsmanship is always there when you keep playin with unknown people.
The difference here is that you don`t know the first thing about online play via HL so you keep making up wrong conclusions based on games with much bigger online crowds.

[Rama]

Originally Posted by GOZR

Pictures of some work is much more interesting to me and many others that read this forum...

Wonder how they got the proper altitudes without knowing the altitude coding table in the game....
looks to me much more like "there should be hills there, so I put hills there... don't care if summit is 500m or 2000m...."

[Spectrum]

Originally Posted by Rama

Wonder how they got the proper altitudes without knowing the altitude coding table in the game....
looks to me much more like "there should be hills there, so I put hills there... don't care if summit is 500m or 2000m...."

Rama -- Do you know that they don't have the altitude coding worked out, or are you just guessing? You seem to be very negative about these mapping efforts, both here and in the Battle of France thread. These maps look like a very interesting development to me. If Bob suddenly gets released then they will quickly become redundant, that's true, but why does that bother you? In any event the information that's being gathered may end up being used for Storm of War in some way in the future. -- and in the meantime its helping to maintain interest in the IL-2 series.

[JG52Uther]

Interesting that this thread is even allowed here at the official 1C forum,when all talk of modding is not allowed at ubi.
1)Either Oleg does'nt care and is actually interested in some of the stuff being done,or
2)He is looking at what needs to be done to lock it down again.
Because of the time constraints with 4.09 personally I think option 1.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Interesting that this thread is even allowed here at the official 1C forum,when all talk of modding is not allowed at ubi.
1)Either Oleg does'nt care and is actually interested in some of the stuff being done,or
2)He is looking at what needs to be done to lock it down again.
Because of the time constraints with 4.09 personally I think option 1.

Hehe, sry, but u think Oleg dont mind losing money in the end because of hacked game?

Keep dreaming.



And this drivel about level playingfield for thoose who cant afford expensive pc`s and so on.....horseshit i say.

Sounds like an excuse made by someone who neither have the pations or the nack to learn a game, any game...so he finds any excuse to CHEAT.

Anyone who thinks (i wonder who) hacks levels the playingfield is really running out of excuses. LOL.


Next somone gonna say he needs 16 50 cals on the P-47 because every 2 shots fired gets lost because of lag issues. "Hey the dude with the 8Mgb connection has a unfair advantage...whaaaaa" LOL


If u have low/middle end pc/connection u learn how to deal with it, like i and 95% of everybodyelse does.