Well...we said it would be a problem..

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

lol, the fact is that being able to fly through tree's is simply not acceptable in any Sim, hell you cant even do it in WOP, this needs fixing urgently or it will kill online play.

Didn't kill online for IL2.

Can they group trees into one solid hit block? Say each group of 100 trees would be an obstacle where an airplane would crash on contact...... I can see it as a stop gap measure. It would be like hitting a wall. Hmmmmmmmmm. That wouldn't be realistic either, but maybe it's a start where someone can work from there. IDK


Just free associating, trying to think of a solution. Pay no attention to the man behind this curtain.

[furbs]

even if it was random...say 3 in 10 trees(don't ask me how) it prob would stop this.

[Robert]

Yeah, I think my 'solution' would end up with trees being landscape elevations instead of trees. If anyone played the arcade WW1 flight sim, Wings of War, trees looked like they were represented with changes of elevation instead of individual trees. Interesting solution that looked pretty okay for 2002, but not today.

I like the one in three option where a hit box could be randomly placed.

[Strike]

Originally Posted by furbs

even if it was random...say 3 in 10 trees(don't ask me how) it prob would stop this.

I agree, it would scare people off enough to avoid flying through trees. Maybe it would also simulate the possibility that the tree gives way, and not the aircraft wing. (If you hit a tree that does NOT have a collision box, one can imagine the tree got cut in half instead of the wing and still keep a "plausible" outcome to the collision. Of course the tree would have to be really thin IRL to break instead of the wing ).

Surely they could put an object in amoungst a group of say 8 trees, like a brown telegraph pole or something, going back to Robert regarding IL2 i dount remember being able to fly through tree's?

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Surely they could put an object in amoungst a group of say 8 trees, like a brown telegraph pole or something, going back to Robert regarding IL2 i dount remember being able to fly through tree's?

Actually, Tree seems to have come up with a sensible suggestion for a fix - there must be objects that can be added to server maps to deter this sort of tactic. They don't need to be in amongst every group of trees, just the ones most likely to be abused - i.e. near airfields, and exposed ones on hilltops etc. Perhaps someone should look at the server map with 'low' trees setting (so they avoid putting too many hazards where there are few trees visible), and add some at random - to discourage cheating, they could be moved around every so often. I've no idea how many could be added before it started to cause problems though - this might need a little experimentation.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Surely they could put an object in amoungst a group of say 8 trees, like a brown telegraph pole or something, going back to Robert regarding IL2 i dount remember being able to fly through tree's?

+1, I was about to suggest something similar.

Not having flown through the trees before, what is the graphics like. You'ld have to be a bit desperate to be flying below 10m completely blind. Maybe they could just have irregular terrain in forested areas?

Cheers!

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Surely they could put an object in amoungst a group of say 8 trees, like a brown telegraph pole or something, going back to Robert regarding IL2 i dount remember being able to fly through tree's?

Yes, good idea in the interim. Couldn't this be done in FMB anyway?

Also, I don't see how it can broadly be called cheating when you can turn forests off. The pilot may be flying low but not in forest on his machine.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by jimbop

Yes, good idea in the interim. Couldn't this be done in FMB anyway?

Also, I don't see how it can broadly be called cheating when you can turn forests off. The pilot may be flying low but not in forest on his machine.

Thats why i asked him first, he admited it...it was his "escape tactic"

[Lixma]

Even the Speccy had solid trees!

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